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All for it as long as all pay ! No loop holes !
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Oregon has no sales tax. Income and Property. Every few years the Dems would try and implement a sales tax, but never eliminate one of the existing taxes.
Now Oregonians may be dumb, but so far they've never let it happen.
Of course I moved out recently, so the average IQ might have dropped a couple points. But the legislature has figured out a way around the no sales tax mentality by enacting excise taxes on certain things - like new cars.
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It will neve pass because 44%(57%) of Americans pay no federal income tax, the democrats do not want to tax the primary supporters of their party. Personally, I'd like to see all adult Americans make a contribution and have some ownership, why should some get a free ride while others carry the entire burden? https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/25/57p...no-federal-income-tax-in-2021-study.html
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They should exempt food and medicine.
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Somehow doubt they follow through with this after they got this new revenue stream. "Finally, the bill terminates the national sales tax if the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (authorizing an income tax) is not repealed within seven years after the enactment of this bill." https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/25?s=1&r=18You just know it's going to be added to the income tax, they ain't going to do you any favors. It should be a bill that does two things simultaneously, i.e., eliminate the IRS and institute the flat tax, with exemptions only for food (not restaurants) and medicine.
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1. Washington has a spending problem, and not a taxation problem.
2. Our current tax system has the top 10% of taxpayers shouldinging 80% of the total income tax burden.
3. Millions of Americans operate in a cash world (black economy) estimated to be $2.8 trillion that goes untaxed. A National Sales Tax captures those folks along with the 57% of Americans who pay no tax.
But the biggest challenge with our tax revenues is Washington (both dems and Republicans) spends our money like drunken crack whores. Until that is resolved, spreading the tax burden will not impact the deficit in any meaningful way.
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Quite a few here need to get more information before commenting as usual.
The Fair Tax is the way to go.
It’s a consumption tax.
If your salary is $1000/week, you will receive a check from your employer for $1000 with no withholding
Consumers will pay taxes by spending. Like stated previously, no taxes will be levied on the basic necessities for anyone.
If you don’t want to pay a bunch of tax, you have that choice by not buying things. It insures that people with higher incomes generally will pay more tax based on luxury purchases
It eliminates the IRS because all taxes are collected and paid by businesses which they already do now. Business owners are unpaid tax collectors for the government
Neal Boortz had great discussions about it after he coauthored the book.
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Quite a few here need to get more information before commenting as usual.
The Fair Tax is the way to go.
It’s a consumption tax.
If your salary is $1000/week, you will receive a check from your employer for $1000 with no withholding
Consumers will pay taxes by spending. Like stated previously, no taxes will be levied on the basic necessities for anyone.
If you don’t want to pay a bunch of tax, you have that choice by not buying things. It insures that people with higher incomes generally will pay more tax based on luxury purchases
It eliminates the IRS because all taxes are collected and paid by businesses which they already do now. Business owners are unpaid tax collectors for the government
Neal Boortz had great discussions about it after he coauthored the book.
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Quite a few here need to get more information before commenting as usual.
The Fair Tax is the way to go.
It’s a consumption tax.
If your salary is $1000/week, you will receive a check from your employer for $1000 with no withholding
Consumers will pay taxes by spending. Like stated previously, no taxes will be levied on the basic necessities for anyone.
If you don’t want to pay a bunch of tax, you have that choice by not buying things. It insures that people with higher incomes generally will pay more tax based on luxury purchases
It eliminates the IRS because all taxes are collected and paid by businesses which they already do now. Business owners are unpaid tax collectors for the government
Neal Boortz had great discussions about it after he coauthored the book. This
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Flat tax, income tax, or fair tax? What difference would it really make?
The government will never reduce our taxes or quit trying to find new ways/reasons/causes to raise our taxes and damn sure wont quit deficit spending or quit giving our money to every country and dictator in the world that wants to destroy us.
If you think it'll change with the Fair Tax Act, you're pissing in the wind.
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Quite a few here need to get more information before commenting as usual.
The Fair Tax is the way to go.
It’s a consumption tax.
If your salary is $1000/week, you will receive a check from your employer for $1000 with no withholding
Consumers will pay taxes by spending. Like stated previously, no taxes will be levied on the basic necessities for anyone.
If you don’t want to pay a bunch of tax, you have that choice by not buying things. It insures that people with higher incomes generally will pay more tax based on luxury purchases
It eliminates the IRS because all taxes are collected and paid by businesses which they already do now. Business owners are unpaid tax collectors for the government
Neal Boortz had great discussions about it after he coauthored the book. Yep.
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Flat tax only, 10%, no exemptions
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LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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I don’t have much faith in the government to implement anything as big as a flat tax without completely screwing it up.
In theory yes, it would be good. By the time the lobbyists and special interest groups got done it might not be as advantageous as advertised. I already saw something about low income earners not having to pay.
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Hell YES, the sooner the better...FLAT TAX...should take about 15-18% to fund the government...paid at the point of sale...no more payroll withholding for IRS...of course you still have the social security withholding...and most states/municipalities are around 8% sales tax, so about 25% tax rate on purchases...but no 36% income tax...almost everyone has skin in the game...those at the very bottom...paycheck-to-paycheck as you put it...some calculated number that equals the 15-18% of the poverty level spending, 1.5 times the poverty level spending, 2X the poverty level spending...congress sets the number...about the only number they set...all other deductions go away...that "poverty level adjustment number" gets sent in the form of a direct payment to the address on your voter ID card...move and don't change your voter ID address...sorry your check can't find you ! I don't think it would take more than 10%, possibly 12%, if every person paid on every purchase. No exclusions for those under the poverty line. (Less reason for them to vote liberal, if they have skin in the game. No exclusion for used autos or other personal property purchased second hand. No enhanced tax rate for "luxery items". No tax on savings or investments. It is a SALES tax.
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Flat tax only, 10%, no exemptions Name the exemption you are willing to give up.
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If it were a flat 10% tax, what exemptions would you want?
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Fair tax is a bad idea in my opinion. Many states charge sales tax already. That just adds to the taxes. More paperwork and more levels of government control. More ways to avoid taxation. A flat tax of 18% on what everyone makes is simpler and harder to manipulate. Leave it to government to choose the most complicated and easiest way to manipulate path to taxation. How much would a 10% tax on earnings of half the US population generate. You know, the half who pay no taxes at all. We could even start taxing the $10,000 refunds of those who have zero with holding. Flat rate sales tax......no wealth redistribution via refund. When my kids were small, you could get a refund of that which had been with held, but not greater than. When did that change?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Hell YES, the sooner the better...FLAT TAX...should take about 15-18% to fund the government...paid at the point of sale...no more payroll withholding for IRS...of course you still have the social security withholding...and most states/municipalities are around 8% sales tax, so about 25% tax rate on purchases...but no 36% income tax...almost everyone has skin in the game...those at the very bottom...paycheck-to-paycheck as you put it...some calculated number that equals the 15-18% of the poverty level spending, 1.5 times the poverty level spending, 2X the poverty level spending...congress sets the number...about the only number they set...all other deductions go away...that "poverty level adjustment number" gets sent in the form of a direct payment to the address on your voter ID card...move and don't change your voter ID address...sorry your check can't find you ! I don't think it would take more than 10%, possibly 12%, if every person paid on every purchase. No exclusions for those under the poverty line. (Less reason for them to vote liberal, if they have skin in the game. No exclusion for used autos or other personal property purchased second hand. No enhanced tax rate for "luxery items". No tax on savings or investments. It is a SALES tax. Yes, it is a national sales tax. I believe the authors concluded it would have to be around 20% to fund government which is significantly lower than what we are all paying now
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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