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Jesus Christ people. Here is the link for PILT (Payment in Lieu of Taxes) that the Federal goverment pays out. On this link you can search by state/fiscal year etc, to see how much in payments they've made. https://pilt.doi.gov/counties.cfmI know... I quoted it above...
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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In the area I live in we have USFS, Mo dept of consv. ,US park service,US corps of Engineers, Lots of Untaxed gov acres, Years back we had a school superintendant, who took on USFS, and got them to pay some percentage of real estate tax, as they are one of the largest land owners in the county, Some counties in missouri qualify but most do not,, I think this was Shannon co,
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Spoke with the Treasurer of my local county to confirm...
.GOV pays no taxes
They use our local roads, water, sewer, schools et al...
Most .GOV operates as a Buisness.
USCG here has barracks for their employees... The employees use our local roads, water, sewer, schools et al...
The National Park Service charges a fee to visit... That is a business for sure.
They occupy local land of extremely high value and pay zero for it... while the rest of us... Business or Private... are saddled with EVER INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES. That's not true. The feds pay PILT to each state with federal land which goes to the counties and towns. PILT
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If I pay $500 an acre...
And .GOV pays (PILT) a nickle...
You do not see a problem?
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Run the damn math...
.GOV holds the finest Real Estate in America and locals get dicked.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Run the damn math...
.GOV holds the finest Real Estate in America and locals get dicked. Dummy, your math and ability to talk out of your ass is on par with Wyoming's governor. PILT pays significantly better...click the link and educate yourself. marton
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Run your PILT on this one... LinkThen run it AGAIN once it is locally owned by a citizen... ... and not Uncle Fugging Sugar. Point being... fair is fair... If Uncle Sugar paid FAIR TAXES... local Real Estate Taxes would be much lower on citizens.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Run the damn math...
.GOV holds the finest Real Estate in America and locals get dicked. Dummy, your math and ability to talk out of your ass is on par with Wyoming's governor. PILT pays significantly better...click the link and educate yourself. marton$2.67 an acre (PILT) is a direct quote from your link... Do you pay more than $2.67 an acre?
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Spoke with the Treasurer of my local county to confirm...
.GOV pays no taxes
They use our local roads, water, sewer, schools et al...
Most .GOV operates as a Buisness.
USCG here has barracks for their employees... The employees use our local roads, water, sewer, schools et al...
The National Park Service charges a fee to visit... That is a business for sure.
They occupy local land of extremely high value and pay zero for it... while the rest of us... Business or Private... are saddled with EVER INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES. Those government employees do pay sales tax and gasoline taxes and would probably not be adding to the local economy if there wasn't a military post close buy. It's my understanding that Iowa with very little military presence pays $1 in federal taxes and gets 90 cents back. Folks like you probably get $1 for every $1 in taxes because you have a military post close by. Now "non profit" hospitals. That's a real beef with me. kwg
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Run your PILT on this one... LinkThen run it AGAIN once it is locally owned by a citizen... ... and not Uncle Fugging Sugar. Point being... fair is fair... If Uncle Sugar paid FAIR TAXES... local Real Estate Taxes would be much lower on citizens. You have much more faith that taxes wouldn't remain the same than I do, even if your argument of fair taxes came true.
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If I owned a 1,000 acre spread in the Yellowstone valley... I would be happy to pay ONLY $2,670 a year.
More dummy math I reckon.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Spoke with the Treasurer of my local county to confirm...
.GOV pays no taxes
They use our local roads, water, sewer, schools et al...
Most .GOV operates as a Buisness.
USCG here has barracks for their employees... The employees use our local roads, water, sewer, schools et al...
The National Park Service charges a fee to visit... That is a business for sure.
They occupy local land of extremely high value and pay zero for it... while the rest of us... Business or Private... are saddled with EVER INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES. Woot... Woot... " PILT payments totaling $549.4 million" 52,110,996.53 acres in National Parks... That comes out to $0.11 per acre... A 100 acre spread in Colorado pays more or less than $11 a year? Anyone help me out here? 1,000 acre spread would be only $110? Yeah, PILT is a joke. But it allows counties with large areas of public land to have a semblance of county government. Without it, I doubt they'd even have jails, police or emergency services. It's BS.
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PILT is a pittance of value...
Bread crumbs to the locals.
Pure CRAP
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Run the damn math...
.GOV holds the finest Real Estate in America and locals get dicked. Dummy, your math and ability to talk out of your ass is on par with Wyoming's governor. PILT pays significantly better...click the link and educate yourself. marton$2.67 an acre (PILT) is a direct quote from your link... Do you pay more than $2.67 an acre? Martons were paying 31 cents an acre...is $2.67 an acre in pilt more or less per acre than what they were paying? If I owned the Marton ranch I would be paying 31 cents an acre, which is less than PILT. Any more math problems I can help you with?
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[quote=CashisKing]PILT is a pittance of value...
Bread crumbs to the locals.
Pure CRAP[/quote
Then ag taxes arent even bread crumbs to the locals...31 cents an acre won't pay for a lightbulb in a street lamp.
Pure bullchit.
Oh, and Natrona county receives about 4 million a year in pilt funding...pretty big pile of bread crumbs.
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Run the damn math...
.GOV holds the finest Real Estate in America and locals get dicked. Dummy, your math and ability to talk out of your ass is on par with Wyoming's governor. PILT pays significantly better...click the link and educate yourself. marton$2.67 an acre (PILT) is a direct quote from your link... Do you pay more than $2.67 an acre? Martons were paying 31 cents an acre...is $2.67 an acre in pilt more or less per acre than what they were paying? If I owned the Marton ranch I would be paying 31 cents an acre, which is less than PILT. Any more math problems I can help you with? NEITHER NUMBER IS VALID... THAT IS THE POINT
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Cash, I've had a front row seat for a few base closures, worked on the EISs and cleanup of BRAC bases. Both of those processes have a lot of public meetings and public involvement. Not a single community has said "that's right, get your feeloading asses out of here and give us the land back." It's the opposite: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA435331I grew up next to Ft Belvoir, knew several families who's main breadwinner had a job on post. Go to any military base and watch the stream of civilian employees pouring throught the gate in the morning. Every one of those respresents a person with a job who can buy a house, pay property taxes, shop in local stores, and eat in local restaurants. If you own a construxtion company, you built some of the houses they live in. If you own a roofing company, you've re-roofed some of those houses. And those jobs wouldn't exist without the base. In Colorado we have a big tourist economy. Just the top three tourist activites (skiing, hunting, fishing) contribute about $4 1/2 billion a year to the state economy. All of the ski resorts are on national forest land and almost all the hunting and fishing is on public land. Take that away and all of the businesses that support all of those visitors evaporate. Federal property can be a burden but in most cases, especially military bases they're not a burden, they're an economic engine.
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Then ag taxes arent even bread crumbs to the locals...31 cents an acre won't pay for a lightbulb in a street lamp.
Pure bullchit. Agree...
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Cash, I've had a front row seat for a few base closures, worked on the EISs and cleanup of BRAC bases. Both of those processes have a lot of public meetings and public involvement. Not a single community has said "that's right, get your feeloading asses out of here and give us the land back." It's the opposite: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA435331I grew up next to Ft Belvoir, knew several families who's main breadwinner had a job on post. Go to any military base and watch the stream of civilian employees pouring throught the gate in the morning. Every one of those respresents a person with a job who can buy a house, pay property taxes, shop in local stores, and eat in local restaurants. If you own a construxtion comapny, you built some of the houses they live in. If you own a roofing company, you;ve re-roofed some of those houses. And those jobs wouldn't exist without the base. In Colorado we have a big tourist economy. Just the top three tourist activites (skiing, hunting, fishing) contribute about $4 1/2 billion a year to the state economy. All of the ski resorts are on national forest land and almost all the hunting and fishing is on public land. Take that away and all of the businesses that support all of those visitors evaporate. Fedearl property can be a burden but in most cases, especially military bases are economic engines. I am not asking any bases to close... or stay open... That is logistic and strategic decision making. What I am saying is that if Uncle Suger pays his fair share to local... Local real estate taxes will be less for all citizens and businesses. If Uncle Sugar pays $1 an acre... and I pay $1,000 per acre... the assumption is that I get $999 of benefit by having Sugar as my neighbor.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Then ag taxes arent even bread crumbs to the locals...31 cents an acre won't pay for a lightbulb in a street lamp.
Pure bullchit. Agree... The citizens of Natrona county are better off with the feds owning the Marton ranch...about 8.5 times better off just from a tax value standpoint. Now factor in the increased outdoor recreational value of 35k additional acres from hunting, fishing, camping, etc... It's a no brainer.
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