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IIRC, it was the EPR (Exhaust Pressure Ratio) Due to the iced probe, the instrument reading told them they were getting takeoff thrust when in fact they were at much less. If they had just looked at the RPMs they might have immediately known something was off with the EPR. Instead, they waddled down the runway, lumbered into the air and stalled.

That may have been compounded by icing on the wings, but the root cause was probe ice and pilot fookupitude.


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Air Disasters on the Smithsonian Channel did a show on the crash. Your link doesn't work but I was able to download the pdf.

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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
There was a crash some years ago when a commercial airliner had some fairly minor malfunction (I think it was a landing gear down and locked light not lit) at night. They got so engrossed in troubleshooting that damn lightbulb that they allowed the plane to fly into the swamp. No survivors. The voice recorder had them yakking about that light until impact.
The "down and locked light" for nose landing gear was burned out. Instead of switching bulbs the crew got engrossed in trouble shooting and knocked the auto pilot off. The "flight engineer" didn't know how to visually check the nose gear to confirm it was down and locked. The FAA suggested hiring professional flight engineers.

Eastern Air Lines Flight 401 was a scheduled flight from New York JFK to Miami. Shortly before midnight on December 29, 1972, the Lockheed L-1011-1 TriStar crashed into the Florida Everglades, causing 101 fatalities. The pilots and the flight engineer, two of 10 flight attendants, and 96 of 163 passengers died; 75 passengers and crew survived.


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Originally Posted by Frank_K
Here is a link to a P3 that lost a prop and managed to survive. In another more complete version when it let go they lost control and actually rolled it before they could regain control.
https://www.vp-6.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=309126&module_id=147414
I hope the link works.

P-3s seemed to have more problems with runaway props than Herks. They have the same engines and basic props but different crew control.


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Thanks. My memory was faulty.


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