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Originally Posted by jwp475
What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?
Ugliness on a rifle like that, even though most of it is covered up.
Integral type like this Montana isn't as bad as a 20MOA stick.
Pic rails are trending, though.

Looks like they may also offer a bald top which would give owners more flexibility and a cleaner look.


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Originally Posted by Direct_Drive
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What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?
Ugliness on a rifle like that, even though most of it is covered up.
Integral type like this Montana isn't as bad as a 20MOA stick.
Pic rails are trending, though.

Looks like they may also offer a bald top which would give owners more flexibility and a cleaner look.

Picitiny rails are great for mounting scope that would others wise tuuf to get proper eye relief. If you don't like the full rail you can cut out the middle part between the rings.



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Originally Posted by jwp475
What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?

The extra weight would be my main concern.

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Originally Posted by shinbone
Originally Posted by jwp475
What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?

The extra weight would be my main concern.


Seriously? Jeez



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Originally Posted by jwp475
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What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?
Ugliness on a rifle like that, even though most of it is covered up.
Integral type like this Montana isn't as bad as a 20MOA stick.
Pic rails are trending, though.

Looks like they may also offer a bald top which would give owners more flexibility and a cleaner look.

Picitiny rails are great for mounting scope that would others wise tuuf to get proper eye relief. If you don't like the full rail you can cut out the middle part between the rings.
Talley makes a two-piece pic rail solution for some applications.
The Montana rifle I have is a heavy-ish rifle to begin with. That little added weight of the integral pic would be a non-issue.


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Originally Posted by Direct_Drive
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What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?
Ugliness on a rifle like that, even though most of it is covered up.
Integral type like this Montana isn't as bad as a 20MOA stick.
Pic rails are trending, though.

Looks like they may also offer a bald top which would give owners more flexibility and a cleaner look.

Picitiny rails are great for mounting scope that would others wise tuuf to get proper eye relief. If you don't like the full rail you can cut out the middle part between the rings.
Talley makes a two-piece pic rail solution for some applications.
The Montana rifle I have is a heavy-ish rifle to begin with. That little added weight of the integral pic would be a non-issue.


Average weight of a full length Picatiny rail is 2 to 3 ounces



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What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?

The extra weight would be my main concern.


Seriously? Jeez

Yes, seriously. It is already going to be a heavy action. Adding more weight with an unwanted pic rail will only further narrow its appeal.

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Originally Posted by shinbone
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What is y'all's problem with the Picitiny rail?

The extra weight would be my main concern.


Seriously? Jeez

Yes, seriously. It is already going to be a heavy action. Adding more weight with an unwanted pic rail will only further narrow its appeal.


So how much do the mounts that you would use weigh, since a couple of ounces is to much for you



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I am not interested in a pic rail, so any weight penalty is not wanted. You like a pic rail, so you don't mind the extra weight an integrated pic rail brings. Different strokes, etc.

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Originally Posted by shinbone
I am not interested in a pic rail, so any weight penalty is not wanted. You like a pic rail, so you don't mind the extra weight an integrated pic rail brings. Different strokes, etc.

How much do your monthly weigh? Is there a weight penalty?



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Unless I am missing the picture, I only see 2 part integral rail.
I like it. Less screw connections and a little additional ring placement options. Hopefully they will offer bigger bore stainless and synthetic options soon.

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Unless I am missing the picture, I only see 2 part integral rail.
I like it. Less screw connections and a little additional ring placement options. Hopefully they will offer bigger bore stainless and synthetic options soon.

Yes, and it looks like the rear section has been hollowed out to reduce weight. I think the weight complaints came from someone who hadn't looked at the action pictures. Not that you need to know anything about the matter at hand to comment on it, of course.

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Unless I am missing the picture, I only see 2 part integral rail.
I like it. Less screw connections and a little additional ring placement options. Hopefully they will offer bigger bore stainless and synthetic options soon.

Yes, and it looks like the rear section has been hollowed out to reduce weight. I think the weight complaints came from someone who hadn't looked at the action pictures. Not that you need to know anything about the matter at hand to comment on it, of course.

It is cut out over the action to make it easier to load the magazine. I've done that to a few of mine.

Even leaving them full length the average wight is 2 to 3 ounces

They are usually to long and have to be shortened when big bell scopes are mounted as low as possible



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Originally Posted by ldmay375
Unless I am missing the picture, I only see 2 part integral rail.

Scroll down and you'll also see a picture of one with no rail; Talley LWs holding the scope.


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Scroll down and you'll also see a picture of one with no rail; Talley LWs holding the scope.

Hopefully, that photo does show an 2022 action option with no rail, rather than an image of a 1999 action recycled from the old MRC archives.

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Scroll down and you'll also see a picture of one with no rail; Talley LWs holding the scope.

Hopefully, that photo does show an 2022 action option with no rail, rather than an image of a 1999 action recycled from the old MRC archives.

I'm almost 100% certain that's the new action, the old M1999 action didn't have the scalloping where the banner and serial number is located like in the pic. The pictures with the two piece picatinny rail look like it's machined integral to the action with a cutout in the center to lighten it. It looks like they're offering both the rail option and no rail which is smart.

The old Montana 1999 actions were cast by Pine Tree casting which was a division of Ruger. They were nice but too heavy, there was a lot of unnecessary metal in them. These being fully machined it looks like they did some work to knock out the parts that added weight but no functional benefit. That's great, weight for no reason is a negative. You can always add weight back if it's too light. Most custom rifles come in too heavy when guys start adding heavy scopes, heavy fiberglass stocks and larger contour barrels. It's easy to make a rifle that'll shoot, it's harder to make one that'll shoot and doesn't handle like a train axle.

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I want one. Price ,I am guessing around 2K. I hope they have as nice Walnut as in the pic.I have had 3 of them and all were shooters.


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I'm almost 100% certain that's the new action, the old M1999 action didn't have the scalloping where the banner and serial number is located like in the pic. The pictures with the two piece picatinny rail look like it's machined integral to the action with a cutout in the center to lighten it. It looks like they're offering both the rail option and no rail which is smart.

The old Montana 1999 actions were cast by Pine Tree casting which was a division of Ruger. They were nice but too heavy, there was a lot of unnecessary metal in them. These being fully machined it looks like they did some work to knock out the parts that added weight but no functional benefit. That's great, weight for no reason is a negative. You can always add weight back if it's too light. Most custom rifles come in too heavy when guys start adding heavy scopes, heavy fiberglass stocks and larger contour barrels. It's easy to make a rifle that'll shoot, it's harder to make one that'll shoot and doesn't handle like a train axle.



This is a MRC 1999 that I picked up a few weeks after MRC announced their closing. Except for superficial differences like bluing and stock material, it looks pretty much the same as the gun w/o integral mounts shown on the new MRC website. My MRC 1999 appears to have a higher serial number than the rifle shown on the website, so my guess is the website is showing an old image.

I always thought the MRC 1999 action was a great design, but poorly executed and poorly supported by the company. I hope the new MRC does a lot better, and I will probably buy one regardless of the integral mounts.

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They must have changed them somewhere in their manufacturing run, neither of the two I have are scalloped like that. Mine started as bare actions from early in the run.

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Hopefully, the new MRC will be releasing more information soon to answer some of these questions.

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