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Both the 87 and 100-grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzers are "designed" as deer bullets--the 87 especially for the 1-14 twist .250s. Other manufacturers have produced 85-87 grain bullets designed for varmints in larger, faster .25s.
Even the 100-grain Speer Hot-Cor will stabilize in many 1-14 250s, since it's about the shortest 100-grain lead-core spitzer available. I've used it in more than one here in Montana, where the elevation is generally high enough to allow it to stabilize. On the other hand, some older 99s don't always have 1-14 twists. I had a take-down that would NOT shoot the 100-grain Speers, and finally measured the twist--which turned out to be 1-15. That sort of thing wasn't uncommon when many were rifled with adjustable sine-bar machinery--but it shot the 87 Speer just fine. I have the opposite experience. I have a '59 99F 250, which is supposed to be twisted 1:14. Instead, it is 1:10.25. It stabilizes 100 Cor-Lokts and Interlocks beautifully. I agree, the old sin-bar machinery accounted for a lot of variance, depending on who was setting it up.
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Yeah, Savage started transitioning to the 1-10 twist about that time. Have owned a couple of the later 99 .250s with the 10 twist--but some other companies stuck with the 1-14. Winchester made a lightweight Model 70 in the 1980s that was chambered in the .250 with the slow twist. It shot 100-grain Speers very well, and probably 100 Interlocks as well, but I'd have to look at my loading notes to see. This doe was facing me at around 150 yards, and a 100-grain Hor-Cor at the base of the neck dropped her right there. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/219762.jpg)
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I have a partial box of 60 grain WW shells. The 250 brass measures only .260" at the base. The most undersized brass I have ever seen. GD
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I have a partial box of 60 grain WW shells. The 250 brass measures only .260" at the base. The most undersized brass I have ever seen. GD .460" maybe?
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[quote=Mule Deer]Yeah, Savage started transitioning to the 1-10 twist about that time.
1960, with the post mils.
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Yep--which is what the two 99A .250s I've had were. One was pretty darn accurate, in fact I took it prairie dog shooting a few times with handloads using the 85-grain Ballistic Tip. Also killed some deer, at least one with a 115-grain Nosler Partition.
But then somebody else wanted it, and by then I'd used it enough to sell it. Then, of course, felt an empty space in my collection, so bought another at a gun show a couple years later. Didn't shoot worth a hoot, even though I tried every accurizing trick I know for 99s--and know quite a few....
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I have a partial box of 60 grain WW shells. The 250 brass measures only .260" at the base. The most undersized brass I have ever seen. GD .460" maybe? Yeah. Sometimes I don't type so good. GD
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Yeah, Savage started transitioning to the 1-10 twist about that time. Have owned a couple of the later 99 .250s with the 10 twist--but some other companies stuck with the 1-14. Winchester made a lightweight Model 70 in the 1980s that was chambered in the .250 with the slow twist. It shot 100-grain Speers very well, and probably 100 Interlocks as well, but I'd have to look at my loading notes to see. This doe was facing me at around 150 yards, and a 100-grain Hor-Cor at the base of the neck dropped her right there. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/219762.jpg) Anybody want to buy John's old Winchester 70 Lightweight Carbine in 250-3000?
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Yeah I would Jeff but I'm up here in Canada so I'll just have to content with my hoard of 250 Savages: ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/S7DhwTV.jpg) P.S. The Sierra 90 gr. Blitzkings shoot equally well in my SAV 250s as my Kimber 257 Roberts. Same loading as the 90 Gamekings 34.5 grains of H4895 in the 250s while 40.5 grains of IMR4895 shows similar promise in the 257. ![smile smile](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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If you swap stocks to a 70 Featherweight style and squint a little, you can imagine what the Model 1920 might have evolved into.
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If you swap stocks to a 70 Featherweight style and squint a little, you can imagine what the Model 1920 might have evolved into. Yep! According to my handloading notes, I've owned 14 .250s, ranging from a very early take-down 99 to one 21st-century style custom rifle, built on a 700 action by Charlie Sisk. But if various factors hadn't killed off the 1920 (including the prejudice of the times against light bolt-action rifles) it might have ended up being another "classic."
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Ya got me beat. I've only owned eight .250-3000's, to include three Model 20's, four 99's and 1899's, and the current one- a Ruger #1A. None were dogs, some were outstanding, but the Ruger showed them all who's the boss so the last M20 and M99 went down the pike. I'm pretty much done with hanging onto rifles for sentimental reasons.
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I only have two 250-3000's. A Ruger #1 and a custom Mauser on a shortened action. I like the cartridge a lot but I favor the classics anyway.
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sqweeler,
The reason 260Remguy asked if somebody would like to buy my Model 70 Lightweight is I sold it to him some years ago. You need to contact him!
John
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I realized that after I typed. ![smile smile](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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sqweeler,
The reason 260Remguy asked if somebody would like to buy my Model 70 Lightweight is I sold it to him some years ago. You need to contact him!
John It is going to a new 24HCF home soon.
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I have a partial box of 60 grain WW shells. The 250 brass measures only .260" at the base. The most undersized brass I have ever seen. GD .460" maybe? I had the same experience! I picked up about 5 boxes of Winchester Silvertip loaded ammo several years ago. I noticed the cases sometimes fail to eject as expected, sometimes falling back into the ejection port. I Called Ruger, suspecting the rifle was out of spec. To their credit, they asked me to send it in to be checked out. Before I did, however, I measured a few Winchester cases and compared them to Remington .250 cases. Yes, the rim diameters were .460 and .473, respectively. I certainly have plenty to learn about guns/ammo/handloading and such, but this is the only time I ever have known factory cases to be that far undersized in rim diameter. I never sent the rifle to Ruger. It works perfectly well with Remington cases and had it been out of spec, I expected they would have offered to just replace it, with another in-production chambering such as .308 or .243. I like my .250-3000 and didn't want to do that. I think the .250 chambering may have been a special distributor run, and so not currently in production. So why would Winchester do that? Or how could it have happened accidentally? From the little I do know about factory loading machines and setup, a change in case dimension is bound to cost LOTS of money, starting with production of the cases themselves, and then followiing through to the loading process.
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