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So why did they have to jump off? ......... That was my first thought as well. Three pages into this thread and I still haven't heard an explanation for it.
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80mph with no one on it as the crew had to jump off. At 80 mph? They probably jumped long before it got up to that speed. Crews know what happens after they piss their air away on a hill. So why did they have to jump off? Would you want to stay on when you know what's coming?
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Nothing to see here, folks. It's your government at work. Or maybe the RR companies cutting costs?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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So why did they have to jump off? ......... That was my first thought as well. Three pages into this thread and I still haven't heard an explanation for it. There's a grade involved, right? If they haven't handled the air brakes correctly (or some other problem that depletes the air) they can lose any ability to control the speed on a grade. We refer to it as "pissing away your air". Once you let that happen, in many cases, jumping is your only option. Usually, it starts and gets critical before you get much over 25mph.
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So why did they have to jump off? ......... That was my first thought as well. Three pages into this thread and I still haven't heard an explanation for it. There's a grade involved, right? If they haven't handled the air brakes correctly (or some other problem that depletes the air) they can lose any ability to control the speed on a grade. We refer to it as "pissing away your air". Once you let that happen, in many cases, jumping is your only option. Usually, it starts and gets critical before you get much over 25mph. What about dynamic braking?
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Hard to contaminate water there! If gawd was going to give the world an enema...Kelso is where the hose would go in. I was thinking the hose would go in DC......
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So why did they have to jump off? ......... That was my first thought as well. Three pages into this thread and I still haven't heard an explanation for it. There's a grade involved, right? If they haven't handled the air brakes correctly (or some other problem that depletes the air) they can lose any ability to control the speed on a grade. We refer to it as "pissing away your air". Once you let that happen, in many cases, jumping is your only option. Usually, it starts and gets critical before you get much over 25mph. What about dynamic braking? Two units of DB on fifty something loads ain't enough on a hill. And that assumes that DBs are working - which is too often not the case.
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Maybe tin foil here, but iron ore being non toxic would be a good way to tie up a bunch of shipping if a bunch of cars derailed.
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80mph with no one on it as the crew had to jump off. At 80 mph? My Thought as well Better stop it in Kelso than Barstow. The Rail Yard in Barstow is aHuge Hub and that would have shut down a good deal of product transports. Maybe that was their pan all together. Going that fast it never would have made it past Afton Canyon. If it did I don't know how well the Afton Bridge would have held up. I've walked on that bridge searching the area for missing hikers.
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So why did they have to jump off? ......... That was my first thought as well. Three pages into this thread and I still haven't heard an explanation for it. There's a grade involved, right? If they haven't handled the air brakes correctly (or some other problem that depletes the air) they can lose any ability to control the speed on a grade. We refer to it as "pissing away your air". Once you let that happen, in many cases, jumping is your only option. Usually, it starts and gets critical before you get much over 25mph. What about dynamic braking? Rail air brake systems were the basis of what the trucking industry uses today. When you run LOW on service system air, the triple valve on each car senses low air pressure in the 'train line' (supply) and uses the isolated emergency tank to make the brakes apply, independent from the operator...you can't move that car or train until air is restored. It is pretty fool proof...I'm having trouble believing 55 cars failed.
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Driving that train, high on cocaine, Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
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Hard to contaminate water there! If gawd was going to give the world an enema...Kelso is where the hose would go in. Bakersfield lost that title? Barkersfield is the Armpit of California. I thought everyone knew that. Arvin now, that might be a bit lower than an armpit.  Wait a minute, thats where Buck, was from. He walked the streets.
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Nothing to see here, folks. It's your government at work. Or maybe the RR companies cutting costs? NOPE, .Gov fer shur. Ringma'ams ol' lady got the scoop from Q. She connects dots for him.
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Relative is a RR buff.
Says train was 21, 552 tons, 154 load, 8685 feet. He's usually got good info as he's got friends that work for that rail company
Sent a pic of the engine tipped over when I said I was glad the crew got off. As he put it, they'd likely not have survived.
I'll check and see if it's OK to post the pic.
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Call Pot Hole Pete! The queer bastard was probably driving!!
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Hard to contaminate water there! If gawd was going to give the world an enema...Kelso is where the hose would go in. Bakersfield lost that title? Barkersfield is the Armpit of California. I thought everyone knew that. Arvin now, that might be a bit lower than an armpit. Wait a minute, thats where Buck, was from. He walked the streets. Lotta folks have walked those streets. I've even stopped for grub and gas while traveling and walked a little. Not far though, as I didn't know the neighborhood.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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So why did they have to jump off? ......... That was my first thought as well. Three pages into this thread and I still haven't heard an explanation for it. There's a grade involved, right? If they haven't handled the air brakes correctly (or some other problem that depletes the air) they can lose any ability to control the speed on a grade. We refer to it as "pissing away your air". Once you let that happen, in many cases, jumping is your only option. Usually, it starts and gets critical before you get much over 25mph. What about dynamic braking? Rail air brake systems were the basis of what the trucking industry uses today. When you run LOW on service system air, the triple valve on each car senses low air pressure in the 'train line' (supply) and uses the isolated emergency tank to make the brakes apply, independent from the operator...you can't move that car or train until air is restored. It is pretty fool proof...I'm having trouble believing 55 cars failed. Not how truck brakes work today. The emergency circuit has air in tanks, that air actually keeps the brakes from automatically applying. In a low service air pressure situation, the valve pops and dumps air from the emergency circuit. That allows hellishly strong springs to actuate the brakes. What you describe is 50 years obsolete. That system was air dependent. The default was no brakes. It's why parked trucks used to roll away, why chocking truck wheels is still a thing. Combined with engine designs then, It's why an unmanned truck could start and drive itself away. And why no smart driver ever parked a truck in gear. The current defaults to locked brakes.
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