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Anyone seen a type II safety (rabbit foot) on a type I (cloverleaf, clip slot) action? H&H length; 57xxx sn. Rule not helping.
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If you haven't seen it I am not sure who else to ask.
I am always looking for factory wood stocks!
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If you haven't seen it I am not sure who else to ask. Well, I’m looking at it; I’m just not sure what to make of it! My suspicion is that it’s legit because everything about the H&H length seems to follow a little bit later timeline. I am an amateur compared to a few on here!
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That rifle is correct. Late pre-war Type 1 M70 receivers in the 57,000 to 59,000 S/N range were fitted with Type 11 Transition bolts with the Type 11 rabbits foot safety. Examples of this can be found in the Whitaker book where all 5 of the RCS Guns have pre-war receivers but two of the guns were fitted with transition bolts.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson
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Tip of the hat PJ.
Appreciate that!
This is why I need to get a working copy of Whitaker too.
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AKW,
My experience is that most "transition" M70s are of the type that you described... cloverleaf tang with clamshell safety lever. I think the less common ones are the late ones with the clover leaf tangs and Type III safety... I have a friend with a 300 H&H like that w/ SN low~ 90k. IIRC, there are even a few w/ the post-war tangs and Type II safety (need to look at my Rule reference again!) but I have not personally seen one.
Transitions are my favorite collector variation.
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What was throwing me was the recessed and roll marked rear bridge. It’s a type I action. In theory the transitions are supposed to be smooth; with no clip slot; aka type II. But pocano had the answer!
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Not a great pic, but you can see the recessed bridge and type II safety.
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Yep, the Type 1 pre-war bolt had a squared-up shoulder at the top/root, Transition and all later bolts eliminated this shoulder.
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Yep, you are absolutely correct Pocono. The bolt is the non-squared transition bolt. And I got a chance to look at it and the numbers match, so I’m convinced it is as it left the factory.
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Sounds like a "cool" one.
The one of my friend's, in 300 H&H, was type II action (untapped rear bridge), type III safety. It was an old family gun. I insinuated, with very little effort or hope, that I would give him a fair price for it if he ever wanted to sell... he never even wavered!!! He does not have much knowledge of old M70s but has heard me talk enough on such matters that he figured I knew what I was talking about!!! All I told him was to please not alter it; maybe shoot it; and keep it for posterity... has 3 daughters that like to shoot/hunt with him.
"Original" ones are ALL "cool" in my book!
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