Are those the ones Whittakers was selling for $300 some years back?
Most of them appear to be take offs. The one I had for an example was a take off that was on a rifle I bought. The 3-9x40 Conquest's bring an easy $400.00 these days. Even the Terra's are selling for more than I've seen in the past. I recently pulled a 3-9x42 Terra RZ6 off a rifle and also a 3.5-10x44 Conquest MC that are going on the chopping block soon. I expect quick sales with both of those scopes.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
When I had my shop I remember buying them from $269 each. At the time I had all the various brands and models available to me so I wasn’t in the mode of buying a bunch of stuff for future use. I did find the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 was, at least to my eyes and those of the customers, a brighter image with better clarity as compared to the 3-9x50 and iirc 4.5-14. I was really amazed at the quality of the image the first time I looked through the Conquest and I’ve been using it for 13 or 14 years. I bought 1 and I bought 1 for my brother in law but looking back I wish I’d have bought a few dozen for $269. The reality is that there are a lot more options today than there was 15 years ago and the quality and durability have only gotten better. The features and durability of the scopes today are head and shoulders above where they were 15 years ago and the prices for good quality have gone “down”.
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No one is able to look through everything. That 3-9 Conquest was widely available to the point where many were able to look through it, and a fair few found it to be the best bang for the [.22 cents these days...].
We alll find a place where we're willing to lay our cash down, & that was it for a lotta people, and for a goodly amount of years.
I'm one of the silly ones who married-up to the Conquest 4x32, but my eyes have begun to move on from that platform. My stash will likely start moving down the road.
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The 3-9x40 Conquest has a really great “suite” of optical properties for a rifle scope. Great eye relief, easy to get behind, bright as heck, and a nice dark reticle that stays visible. The mechanicals are a tangible step above, well, Leupold which really sold me on them at the time. I wish I’d bought another one or two (I have two of them) when they were $300 brand new.
Zeiss are to me far and beyond better than a lot of big name scopes in optical clarity. The same can be said for Meopta. I have a couple Nightforce scopes and am simply not impressed with optical clarity. The NF SHV 4-14x50 F1 has to be the biggest POS for the money. Eye relief is critical and short.
Have you tried the newer Conquest V4’s? I really like them. The 4-16 x44 and x50 are both very nice, nod to the 50mm if you can run a scope that big.
They also made a 1-4x V4 for AR’s, that they chickened out on and didn’t market as such so it flopped and the they discontinued it. I picked up a couple on closeout. Made in Japan just like the other V4’s, really nice AR scope. I bought two, shoulda coulda woulda bought another. Keep your eyes open…
I have a few of the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40’s. I haven’t specifically looked recently to notice them coming up for sale more but I’ll scoop one up whenever I see one for a good price. They’re still my favorite reasonably priced general use hunting rifle scopes for all of the reasons already mentioned.
Have you tried the newer Conquest V4’s? I really like them. The 4-16 x44 and x50 are both very nice, nod to the 50mm if you can run a scope that big.
They also made a 1-4x V4 for AR’s, that they chickened out on and didn’t market as such so it flopped and the they discontinued it. I picked up a couple on closeout. Made in Japan just like the other V4’s, really nice AR scope. I bought two, shoulda coulda woulda bought another. Keep your eyes open…
Something that some guys may have caught on to is when your old Conquest needs repair (if ever), you send it in and Zeiss will just replace it with the newer V4 model. That happened to me. Sent in a very nice older Conquest 4.5-14x44 and they eventually (6 months later) sent me a V4 4-16x44. Like I've said before, I'm not entirely happy with the glass, or the janky zero stop plastic mechanism or the plastic turret cap. Some things seem cheap on the scope. The glass is not the greatest, but they do track very well. I'm not complaining much because I sent in a $500 scope and got a $1,000.00 scope in return.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I have a few of Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40’s. I haven’t specifically looked recently to notice them coming up for sale more but I’ll scoop one up whenever I see one for a good price. They’re still my favorite reasonably priced general use hunting rifle scopes for all of the reasons already mentioned.
That is why they sell for $400 all day long every day. Guys like them for what they are. I am happy with the service I get from my Burris FFII 3-9x40 rifle scopes and they are much less expensive. There are some oddities with the Zeiss, that I don't like, like the bass ackwards turrets. The turrets are also not marked, so there is no reference as to how much you just turned them. No zero set feature either. Also you are very limited in reticle selection. For the guys that don't shoot far, or just need a good durable scope with good glass, the Conquest works fine. Where as the ballistic plex reticle offers more than the Zeiss does at a lesser price point. One of the reasons I stripped a few Zeiss rifle scopes off of my rifles and intend to sell them in the near future.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Have you tried the newer Conquest V4’s? I really like them. The 4-16 x44 and x50 are both very nice, nod to the 50mm if you can run a scope that big.
They also made a 1-4x V4 for AR’s, that they chickened out on and didn’t market as such so it flopped and the they discontinued it. I picked up a couple on closeout. Made in Japan just like the other V4’s, really nice AR scope. I bought two, shoulda coulda woulda bought another. Keep your eyes open…
Something that some guys may have caught on to is when your old Conquest needs repair (if ever), you send it in and Zeiss will just replace it with the newer V4 model. That happened to me. Sent in a very nice older Conquest 4.5-14x44 and they eventually (6 months later) sent me a V4 4-16x44. Like I've said before, I'm not entirely happy with the glass, or the janky zero stop plastic mechanism or the plastic turret cap. Some things seem cheap on the scope. The glass is not the greatest, but they do track very well. I'm not complaining much because I sent in a $500 scope and got a $1,000.00 scope in return.
Janky plastic zero stop? Huh. That’s not how I remember it. I remember brass…I like the zero stop mechanism… once I figured it out.
Clearly (no pun) I need to put eyeballs on the newer SHV’s. My V4’s murder my early SHV optically.
Have you tried the newer Conquest V4’s? I really like them. The 4-16 x44 and x50 are both very nice, nod to the 50mm if you can run a scope that big.
They also made a 1-4x V4 for AR’s, that they chickened out on and didn’t market as such so it flopped and the they discontinued it. I picked up a couple on closeout. Made in Japan just like the other V4’s, really nice AR scope. I bought two, shoulda coulda woulda bought another. Keep your eyes open…
Something that some guys may have caught on to is when your old Conquest needs repair (if ever), you send it in and Zeiss will just replace it with the newer V4 model. That happened to me. Sent in a very nice older Conquest 4.5-14x44 and they eventually (6 months later) sent me a V4 4-16x44. Like I've said before, I'm not entirely happy with the glass, or the janky zero stop plastic mechanism or the plastic turret cap. Some things seem cheap on the scope. The glass is not the greatest, but they do track very well. I'm not complaining much because I sent in a $500 scope and got a $1,000.00 scope in return.
Janky plastic zero stop? Huh. That’s not how I remember it. I remember brass…I like the zero stop mechanism… once I figured it out.
Clearly (no pun) I need to put eyeballs on the newer SHV’s. My V4’s murder my early SHV optically.
I'll pull it apart and take some pictures if you want, but it's cheap. As for NF, they are way ahead of the Zeiss V4 in terms of glass quality and robustness. Here's a video on how to set up the ballistic zero stop on the V4:
Notice that "ballistic stop bucket": It is plastic. It's cheap man. Guys want to argue about things when the proof is very obvious. Notice how he is very specific about using very little torque on that bucket. The reason for that is because it's plastic. The turret that locks on to that ballistic stop bucket is also plastic. Lets not overlook that kind of stuff and mislead people here man.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I’ll have to take note next time I’m inside one of mine. I do clearly remember that the part that the set screws bear on is brass, not plastic. And just so we are all clear here, the elevation turret itself, as well as the illumination/parallax knobs, are metal. I personally really like the elevation turret setup. I like it better than on my big NF NXS.
The windage turret cap is plastic; I don’t care personally but perhaps some do. My Glocks are plastic.
My sample of (1) SHV is inferior to my V4’s to my eyes and it’s not close. As I have said, it’s an early (pre-illumination) 3-10. I think I recall hearing they’d upgraded the glass at some point- not sure. I am sure about what my eyes tell me about what I have in my possession.
NF ahead of Zeiss in glass quality LMAO. How would you know they are more robust, because they advertise that for their high end scopes? I have owned an SHV and got rid of it, short mounting tube length.. Internals matter .
There is no zero stop on a SHV, one has to fabricate one to do that and it is a plastic component. 1K and no zero stop.
NF ahead of Zeiss in glass quality LMAO. How would you know they are more robust, because they advertise that for their high end scopes? I have owned an SHV and got rid of it, short mounting tube length.. Internals matter .
There is no zero stop on a SHV, one has to fabricate one to do that and it is a plastic component. 1K and no zero stop.
My SHV's have "zero set" and they work just fine. Tell someone that doesn't have either scope and maybe they may believe your bull schidt. But to say a Zeiss V4 has better glass than a Nightforce, is just a stupid fu cking statement. I was just out shooting my rifle with the V4 and the glass sucks. Plain and clear, it is no where near as good as the glass on any of my NF scopes. Even when compared to the bottom of the barrel SHV models. In fact, the V4 isn't even better than my $200 Burris FFII rifle scopes.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
I’ll have to take note next time I’m inside one of mine. I do clearly remember that the part that the set screws bear on is brass, not plastic. And just so we are all clear here, the elevation turret itself, as well as the illumination/parallax knobs, are metal. I personally really like the elevation turret setup. I like it better than on my big NF NXS.
The windage turret cap is plastic; I don’t care personally but perhaps some do. My Glocks are plastic.
My sample of (1) SHV is inferior to my V4’s to my eyes and it’s not close. As I have said, it’s an early (pre-illumination) 3-10. I think I recall hearing they’d upgraded the glass at some point- not sure. I am sure about what my eyes tell me about what I have in my possession.
Yeah, take that Zeiss apart man. It's plastic. Did you even watch the fu cking video I posted? Start there.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I have both the V4 Zeiss 1-4x24 and the SHV 4-14x50 F1. Different power ranges and objective sizes, but I did compare them on 4 power. The SHV had better sharpness at 600 distance, but at 50-100 yards I could not tell the difference. They are on two very different rifles and for different applications. The Zeiss is on a Win 94 Big Bore in .356 and the SHV is on a Ruger #1 in .264 Win. Both do the job I want them to do.
As far as the Zeiss goes I really like it with the illumination and great field of view on 1x. I use this rifle and scope where there are times when shots will be a few yards.
I have both the V4 Zeiss 1-4x24 and the SHV 4-14x50 F1. Different power ranges and objective sizes, but I did compare them on 4 power. The SHV had better sharpness at 600 distance, but at 50-100 yards I could not tell the difference. They are on two very different rifles and for different applications. The Zeiss is on a Win 94 Big Bore in .356 and the SHV is on a Ruger #1 in .264 Win. Both do the job I want them to do.
As far as the Zeiss goes I really like it with the illumination and great field of view on 1x. I use this rifle and scope where there are times when shots will be a few yards.
I don't think that would be a very apples to apples comparison with such a difference in objective sizes and power ranges, as you alluded to.
NF ahead of Zeiss in glass quality LMAO. How would you know they are more robust, because they advertise that for their high end scopes? I have owned an SHV and got rid of it, short mounting tube length.. Internals matter .
There is no zero stop on a SHV, one has to fabricate one to do that and it is a plastic component. 1K and no zero stop.
My SHV's have "zero set" and they work just fine. Tell someone that doesn't have either scope and maybe they may believe your bull schidt. But to say a Zeiss V4 has better glass than a Nightforce, is just a stupid fu cking statement. I was just out shooting my rifle with the V4 and the glass sucks. Plain and clear, it is no where near as good as the glass on any of my NF scopes. Even when compared to the bottom of the barrel SHV models. In fact, the V4 isn't even better than my $200 Burris FFII rifle scopes.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
I’ll have to take note next time I’m inside one of mine. I do clearly remember that the part that the set screws bear on is brass, not plastic. And just so we are all clear here, the elevation turret itself, as well as the illumination/parallax knobs, are metal. I personally really like the elevation turret setup. I like it better than on my big NF NXS.
The windage turret cap is plastic; I don’t care personally but perhaps some do. My Glocks are plastic.
My sample of (1) SHV is inferior to my V4’s to my eyes and it’s not close. As I have said, it’s an early (pre-illumination) 3-10. I think I recall hearing they’d upgraded the glass at some point- not sure. I am sure about what my eyes tell me about what I have in my possession.
Yeah, take that Zeiss apart man. It's plastic. Did you even watch the fu cking video I posted? Start there.
Don’t know why this is so upsetting to you. Glass is subjective anyway, right? To my eyes the V4’s I have are very noticeably better than my one SHV. A statement of subjective fact. I compared them quite a bit because I really wanted to order another 3-10 SHV but I just couldn’t do it after seeing the cheaper V4 dominate it, in low light especially. So I couldn’t believe my lyin’ eyes and compared several times. Not subtle, to my eye, and my eye is what matters to ME. I actually haven’t compared them to my NSX because it doesn’t really matter anyway.
I’m pretty positive the turret set screws bear on a brass part in my scopes. I can picture it in my mind. The little ring that goes against the stop is plastic if I’m remembering right. I’m about to leave for a long time, I’m not gonna mess with the turret/zero stop on my sighted in long range rifles just to prove a point on the internet. But regardless- who CARES?! The turrets are a great design. Very tactile clicks, great zero stop…. so don’t use a cheater bar on the set screws, no biggie. I wasn’t gonna anyway.
If you think I’m saying the V4 is a better scope in general than modern SHV’s I’m not. I don’t have any modern SHV’s to compare to. I like my 3-10 SHV, but to my point, I did have to MAKE a zero “stop” for it. Out of plastic, haha. And it’s optically inferior to a scope made in the same factory, that weighs the same, it has an inferior by far turret design (the turret on my 3-10 SHV sucks; it’s grabby and sticky and I’ve actually been tempted to send it to NF for warranty… but it does track very well) and finally I have been buying V4’s for 2/3 the price of the 3-10 SHV as demo units from RHR…. these are just facts.
I wont run anyone down over their opinions on glass, as it can look different for all of us. That said, the Zeiss v4 glass is much clearer and brighter than the NF that Ive looked through. Both are great scopes and both are bullet proof. Couldnt make a wrong decision on either one
I wish I had never bought a V4. Now it is all I want and it’s getting expensive replacing others lol. Never owned a NF SHV when I shot a buddies (4x14x50) it was a nice scope but I wouldn’t trade him for sure. Zeiss v4 4x14x44 is the best hunting scope for my needs and my eyes.
