Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Weaver Classic Riflescope vs. Burris FFII

On the websight the only regular old fashioned nice BP reticles are caliber specific :Shotgun, muzzle load, 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster. No idea if there is really a difference between them - or it would matter. Fullfield are a great deal and solid as heck scopes.

Do you know if the E1 turrets are crisper than the FF2's? At least they are a lot easier to read (more 'things' I am looking for)

My other thread and some text with friends is a hilarity of circular process and over thinking trying to get 'exactly' what I want. Probably familiar with this drill yourself.

Not Chinese.... rule #1
Love old Weavers but not sure about the latest iteration Vista Outdoors Weaver and am sort of warded off it - and not thrilled with skinny reticle.
Didn't like the E1 reticle but was trying to get past that ...could make due maybe- but needs taller mounts.
Started by looking at the Tract Response but pretty underwhelming feedback -and more than either Weaver or Burris which is a known quality to me,
Checked out Sightron and was leaning after seeing the Gen2 S1 getting good marks. Not uber tall turrets but not great reticle...
looked Bushnell....passed....only duplex....and Chinese ....I tihnk.

You won't believe where I wound up ....about five minutes ago. About to send Doug and order and pull the trigger ....afraid to say it on this forum......lol

ah c'mon you can tell me.... it's just us two here... lol

That would be a question to ask Burris, IME they have been very good about answering emails.

As to the turrets, see MD's comments here:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...is/Search/true/re-burris-e1#Post17563240

Enjoy your Leupold!

I bought two VX-3's in the past week. No worries.

LOL. That's a grand slam homer right there.

Personally, I was a little disappointed with the optical quality of some of the new Weaver Classics I tried (6-24Xs, IIRC). They aren't a ripoff and I didn't perceive them to be junk...they just weren't up to my own requirements or desires. To be perfectly fair I had to spend a good bit more to get an optic that pleased me, and what pleases me might be a lot more than what is needed by someone else, or a lot less. It's all a "YMMV" proposition.

No experience with Weaver, but I just ordered my 6th Burris. 3 FFIIs, one E1, and 2 4Xs. In over 20 years haven't had an issue.

Shhhh........they'll hear, but yeah....you got me!

After taking a look it ticked off all the boxes...ALL of them... including reticle and turrets and mounts.......maybe not quite the killer deal but to get 'exactly' what I want is so very rare and worth a few extra bucks. It still isn't expensive in scope terms. I admit I have gotten spoiled over the years with the performance of Fullfields and Weaver K's for dirt cheap but I don't feel I am being charged ball park beer price here- and I get to support Doug's business- AND I know both he and Leupold will make things right if needed. I have aVx3 that's been rocking for years. What I got was a VX-Freedom Hunt Plex. Up until yesterday I had not even looked at or considered them and was pleasantly surprised by what I saw.

Those old FFII with adj. objective are good ones. I've 3 of the original 4.5-14 with bal plex reticle and like them. They stay where adjusted and don't get moved, don't lose zero. Awhile back I stumbled onto someone online selling them pretty cheap, don't remember the place though. Also have several of the older V-16 Weavers and like them too. You see them for sale occasionally.

*****. Amazon has those old FF!!'s.

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I'm pretty sure the Bushnell's are Korean made also as they fall under Vista Outdoors also.

I have a brand new 3-9x40 E1 with a standard plex reticle (not ballistic plex), and I'll be danged if I can remember where I got it (sux getting old). I think I'm going to mount it on a Savage 16 in .260 Remington that I've had for ten years and have a total of 35 rounds through. It's a cartridge that just never seemed to fire me up.

The Burris E1 standard duplex is pretty thick,as in easy to see in low-light…

I had a Weaver V10 on my Win 70 .280 Rem for 20 years of PA deer hunting and it never lost zero. I think I paid a whole $230 from Midway. Too bad they didn't keep the same Japanese manufacturer. However, I have been considering the current Weaver offering for a CZ 457 Varmint that needs a scope.

Baydog you are correct. Both Weaver and Bushnell. Doesn't seem anything wrong with either but those (Philippine) Burris are just such a known quantity- and a bargain.

I like them both. I've been buying Full Field scopes lately, because of MD's write up on them.

Bought several from Natchez a couple years ago on a blowout.

If those are what we are discussing?
Was impressed by everything for the price range.

Except, the eyebox.
Harder to get into than Leupold or my Elite 3200s.
Not terrible, but I only used the rimfire and one of 3 3x9s.

Personally, getting field of view is the #1 thing.
Optics don't matter until you see them, neither do reticles, or adjustments.

I know that's not exactly true, but I'm a hunter.
Playing peek a boo in the 2 seconds one has to shoot a deer is not acceptable.

Not the same scopes. The new Weaver Classics are a Natchez exclusive build series and are made in South Korea. Very similar to Bushnell's "Prime" series I believe.

A comment on the Burris FF II in 4.5-14x42 anyway.

I have had one on a Win 70 in 264 for many, many years. Have never been displeased with it in any way. I have a brand new one in the box in the safe.

I am currently setting up a Win 70 in 7 RM for my son. This Burris FF II touches the barrel in low Talley LW ring mounts.

The Talleys are all I have on hand at the moment, so the rifle got a Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40.

I have some medium Talleys on order. We may switch out the scope later if the son prefers a bit higher magnification.

If he thinks it needs a Shmitt and Bender, he is welcome to buy one. But that Bushnell presents a beautiful sight picture. Possibly brighter than the Burris.

ETA: at $130 for the 3-9x40 or the 4.5-14, they are a steal on Amazon. Available in kits with rings or covers for a bit higher.