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Women can totally be spiritual leaders. But only in certain religions.
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Paul covered this topic in 1st Timothy: 1 timothy 2:11-15 NIV -11 A woman[ a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[ b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[ c] will be saved through childbearing—if they Women can preach to women. Having read that many times over the years, I also went to the NIV and found this: "A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet." To date, I don't have a strong opinion in either direction, and so far am unable to stretch that Scripture to read "A woman cannot preach". Is it not plausible that the statement above has to do with how a woman should "learn", and that she is not to "teach or assume authority over a man". Please enlighten how that translates to "shall not preach", in the sense of presenting a sermon. Thanks.
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Can we start a "why is Christianity shrinking" thread next?
And then scratch our heads and say I dunno. Maybe it has to do with Male Pedophile Priests? KBOr millionaire preachers in their mansions and private jets?
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Unequivocally and not worthy of debate…NO!
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It's in the Bible. Women shouldn't be preachers. But, that doesn't mean they can't speak and minister to people. Where in the bible is that? Is that something Jesus said? I am positive that all Levite priests were men. And I've been told that back in the day only a married man could be a Rabbi. An East Indian that I knew was a believer in Jesus and he believed that Jesus being a Rabbi would have been married. It does seem that lady preachers/pastors and deacons/elders/trustees are a recent thing although in the 1800s Mary Baker Eddy ran the Christian Science outfit.
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My Aunt is a Methodist Minister and a darn good one. Her sermons are filled with real life experiences and she is one of the most down to earth people I have ever met. Except she is in disobedience to the very God she to serve.
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I don’t care for lady pastors, wifey doesn’t either
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My Aunt is a Methodist Minister and a darn good one. Her sermons are filled with real life experiences and she is one of the most down to earth people I have ever met. Except she is in disobedience to the very God she to serve. Can we start a "why is Christianity shrinking" thread next?
And then scratch our heads and say I dunno. I answered this in another thread. I is very simple. Evolution, in any form, is anti God. It has been force on the public schools for a couple generations now. What else would you expect?
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Paul covered this topic in 1st Timothy: 1 timothy 2:11-15 NIV -11 A woman[ a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[ b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[ c] will be saved through childbearing—if they Women can preach to women. Having read that many times over the years, I also went to the NIV and found this: "A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet." To date, I don't have a strong opinion in either direction, and so far am unable to stretch that Scripture to read "A woman cannot preach". Is it not plausible that the statement above has to do with how a woman should "learn", and that she is not to "teach or assume authority over a man". Please enlighten how that translates to "shall not preach", in the sense of presenting a sermon. Thanks. Watch the video.
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The Bible says NO. However, with modern religion such as we see today, it's up to each church to decide.
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[Matt 7:13 KJV] 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
I don't go for popular or woke.
I humbly seek guidance from the Word.
We don't have women preachers, nor do they teach men. We feel that is how God intended it so we follow that policy.
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Why shouldn't they? The have plenty of practice from doing it at home for years. Regardless of what God said. They should do better if getting paid for it, whores sure do. Regardless of what God said. Come on, guys, WTH does God know? Oh yeah, I forgot. HE knew that to keep JESUS form sinning, HE had to tell Him not to marry any women.
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In my younger days there were plenty in the preceding generation that believed it was wrong for a woman to work outside the home for pay. Farmwives were not given demerits for helping out on the family farm and black women and poor whites were ok for picking cotton or hoeing crops for pay on the farm they were housed on or a neighbor's farm they were loaned to.
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My Aunt is a Methodist Minister and a darn good one. Her sermons are filled with real life experiences and she is one of the most down to earth people I have ever met. Except she is in disobedience to the very God she to serve. Can we start a "why is Christianity shrinking" thread next?
And then scratch our heads and say I dunno. I answered this in another thread. I is very simple. Evolution, in any form, is anti God. It has been force on the public schools for a couple generations now. What else would you expect? Actually it's you. You are the reason.
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My Aunt is a Methodist Minister and a darn good one. Her sermons are filled with real life experiences and she is one of the most down to earth people I have ever met. Except she is in disobedience to the very God she to serve. Can we start a "why is Christianity shrinking" thread next?
And then scratch our heads and say I dunno. I answered this in another thread. I is very simple. Evolution, in any form, is anti God. It has been force on the public schools for a couple generations now. What else would you expect? Actually it's you. You are the reason. Oh My!
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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My Aunt is a Methodist Minister and a darn good one. Her sermons are filled with real life experiences and she is one of the most down to earth people I have ever met. Except she is in disobedience to the very God she to serve. Can we start a "why is Christianity shrinking" thread next?
And then scratch our heads and say I dunno. I answered this in another thread. I is very simple. Evolution, in any form, is anti God. It has been force on the public schools for a couple generations now. What else would you expect? Actually it's you. You are the reason. One thing is for sure about you Jim, you don't sugarcoat your answers. It's a good way to be. Cuts down on confusion.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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"Nor should they drive or appear in public without a head covering."
Whatever the mythology of your choice dictates. To be safe, follow them all. RB
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The Bible says NO. However, with modern religion such as we see today, it's up to each church to decide. If one is humble, the Scripture is quite clear what women's station in the church is.
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