I'll continue beating my head against a wall until Ruger chambers it in a useful cartridge, 10mm.
Hell, I’d buy another KelTec Sub 2000 if they’d chamber it in 10mm. The early 9mm version I had worked flawlessly and was accurate too. I gave it to my nephew.
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I ran across one of these today and wound up bringing it home. Switched it to Glock mags. Ordered a Vortex dot sight and three Magpul 27 round mags. I have a lot of standard mags. Question for y’all that already have a 9mm carbine. What bullet weight works best for you?
yes I have done business with those folks. I am not currently loading 9mm though, used to in the distant past. I have 'adequate' stocks of factory stuff around the casa for now.
about finished pimping out the PC carbine. Added a Sig dot sight, 27 round Magpul magazines and a Surefire light on an offset mount. Now to get back to the range!
Where the 9mm carbine falls short (in my opinion) is the inability to penetrate IIIA body armor. Maybe a few of the faster loads will do it, but not the common ball ammo.
It's one of those longshot circumstances, but if home invaders are wearing body armor, and more are these days, the 5.56 kind of wins in that situation.
If you're dogging the 9mm shortcomings based on whether the bad guys have armor, at least be honest with yourself because IIIA has been obsolete for at least two decades and most people have already switched over to better things. Your AR won't get through level IV either. Neither will 308 or shotguns.
Where the 9mm carbine falls short (in my opinion) is the inability to penetrate IIIA body armor. Maybe a few of the faster loads will do it, but not the common ball ammo.
It's one of those longshot circumstances, but if home invaders are wearing body armor, and more are these days, the 5.56 kind of wins in that situation.
If you're dogging the 9mm shortcomings based on whether the bad guys have armor, at least be honest with yourself because IIIA has been obsolete for at least two decades and most people have already switched over to better things. Your AR won't get through level IV either. Neither will 308 or shotguns.
I'm not dogging 9mm. I'm a big fan actually. Just sharing a fact for anyone who might be trying to make an informed decision.
I've got several 9mm pistols and a Ruger PC9 carbine. 9mm is my daily carry. Like everything, it has capabilities, and limitations.
These things are fun, I bought mine on a whim, my son loves shooting it. I've since put a hardpoint rail on the factory forearm and a cheap bushnell trs, but I think I like the iron sights better. Just wish you could score good 9mm for under 10 bucks a box again. You'll go through it quick.
I've thought about the new magpul pcc drums, but just dont see the reason when you can get 33rd glock mags.
Finally got to feel one and was pretty disappointed, being a tried and true Ruger user. Man that thing felt like a pig. I was expecting something more svelte. A compact stock might help, seeings its a good platform for smaller shooters. Maybe going AR9 or .357 lever for GF's house gun.
Where the 9mm carbine falls short (in my opinion) is the inability to penetrate IIIA body armor. Maybe a few of the faster loads will do it, but not the common ball ammo.
I'm bringing this thread back up because I wondered about this. What do you think happened when I fired one of Mackay_Sagebrush's Predator Penatrators at body armor?
I had run this test previously with the same target array but without the body armor, using Buffalo Bore hard cast (same bullet per MS, at about the same velocity per my chrono), and the round stopped after denting the second piece of 22 gauge steel.
This doesn't change my view that this is a nifty little home defense and general dinking-around gun.
I will have to try this with an Xtreme Penetrator. It looks like I can get one more shot out of the armor side panel on the undamaged half.
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Yeah it takes velocity to defeat body armor, and 1285 fps isn't even close. For IIIA, I believe you need over 1800 fps. The Underwood 68gr+P Xtreme Defender might be the best chance from a 9mm carbine.
Here's an example of the Underwood Xtreme Defender defeating IIIA panel from a handgun at about 1720 fps or so. It did not penetrate the IIIA Hybrid panel from a Evo at 1880fps or so.
Curious if 16" barrel would make enough difference to get through the IIIA Hybrid panel.
If you want a cartridge that will penetrate the heavier ballistic vests either a .223/5.56 or a 5.7x28 will do that and of course so will various larger calibers.
A 14.5 inch AR-15 w/ pinned muzzle device would be my choice for a self defense rifle that will penetrate ballistic vests since they are not expensive and there are lots of choices. Or an SBR if you want to go through that process and spend the extra money. I shoot a lot of matches with a PCC (a JP GMR-15) and like them a lot, but a PCC wouldn't be my first choice for a home defense gun.
I had one of the older Ruger PC-9's and it was reliable, but I prefer the AR-9's.
Finally got to feel one and was pretty disappointed, being a tried and true Ruger user. Man that thing felt like a pig. I was expecting something more svelte. A compact stock might help, seeings its a good platform for smaller shooters. Maybe going AR9 or .357 lever for GF's house gun.
As a long time Ruger fan, I was expecting a pig. When is the last time svelte was used to describe a Ruger of any kind? They look like they would be fun at the range for sure, like a grown up 10/22.
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