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I know the facts. What is there to argue about? Stepping from public to public.

Seems pretty simple...

What really amazes me about this whole discussion is the inability of people to read and comprehend lthe law and or the court order...

you all should read the UIA of 1885 and you will see that eminent domain is not needed and you will see the that the judges interpreation is that the UIA of 1885 curtails the landowners rights. Somewhat, similar to zoning ordances that prohibit you from building right up to your property line.

Is the fed lands marked in any way out there

Corner Crossing - The American Surveyor
https://amerisurv.com/2023/02/09/corner-crossing/

"The Section Corner the gentlemen stepped over was originally set by General Land Office (GLO) Deputy Surveyor (DS) Lewis Lampton in 1878. The corner was then part of a Dependent Resurvey by GLO DS Wayne Gardner in 1967. It was at this time that DS Gardner found the original monument set by Lampton and replaced it with the Post. In the original field notes from 1967, Gardner States “…are monumented with the Bureau of Land Management’s standard iron post cadastral survey monument, consisting of an inscribed die cast brass cap, permanently mounted on a galvanized iron pipe, 29 ins. Long, 2 1/2 ins. diameter”. During the Dependent Resurvey, Gardner found “…a sandstone, 14x8x3 ins., illegibly mkd., loosely set 3 ins. in the ground”. This was the corner set by Lampton and currently buried alongside the new post."

Next question has the private properties in question been surveyed

I don't think there is enough allowable room at the junction of 4 corners to erect anything other than a strand of wire which is what's been done.

It's my understanding that the total allowable margine of error with a land survey is just a tad over a inch and that's not all in one spot.

The junction of 4 corners could be viewed much like a set of cross hairs. A 4 inch post driven precisely in the center of the junction would encroach on all 4 parcels of land involved.

It chaps the do nothing non hunters fire regulars that Buzz and BHA got this done.

Most will never set foot in Wyoming and and if they did they wouldn’t have the ability to find a corner to cross even if they had a map.

You could not block access to another private land owner that had to get through your property to access his. Why should you be able to block the public from accessing their property? I understand the possible need for gates or cattle guards at public expense to facilitate livestock containment but that is already done in places.

Even though I own some posted land it gladdens me to see this overbearing billionaire get knocked on his ass in federal court after losing his trespass case in state court.

Recently?

Ever?

Surveyed and marked?

Is broke back mountain in the map?

Yes this

If you're trying ta suggest that there's somehow a gap between the properties that's extremely unlikely, as the boundaries have remained undisputed for dozens of years, if not more than a century.

That would be WYBHA. Not bha as a whole. Remember, ol buzz never answered how much $$$ the mothership chipped in to the gofundme. He would know since it was accounted for down to the penny.

I have a sneaking suspension the avg Joe citizen funded the defense, not bha........but who knows....

From what I gather the land owners get fugked am I right ?

According to the info Strop provided it was surveyed (at least the corner in question) as recently as 1967. By the General Land Office no less.


Now, unless my geometry fails me, the four corners of the parcels in question come together in a point. Is that "point" 2.5" in diameter, as is set as a standard cadastral survey monument? If so, is that post set exactly perpendicular (hard to do on an earth shaped object?). If not, and also given the diameter of the pipe, does some part of the post actually intrude into the rancher's property.

in 1967 did they have the technology available today to shoot the property lines from that "point" in the exact direction as prescribed on the survey documents?

Basically, from what I could figure out from what I read, the exact location of the corner is not being disputed. The action of crossing over that corner from one parcel of public land to another parcel of public land is what the case revolves around. And the judge said, summarily, it is OK to cross there.

If you consider someone crossing from one corner to another corner, fugked, then the judge says yeah.,

No.

Not everyone is as lost as you.

Which landowners? The billionaire or the public?

Wonder how Eshelman would like it were he denied access to his opposite corner and had to hire a helicopter to get over there? He would squeal like a pig caught under a gate even though he unlike most country folks can afford to buy or hire a helicopter.