Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.

Fasting without keto, is kinda like washing your truck in a dust storm.

1. Stop the High-Starch/low-fat/Processed Sugar diet.
2. Clean up your system with keto.
3. Improve your health with fasting.


Who inverted Critical Path Management?

Genghis Khan.

1. Rape.
2. Pillage.
3. Burn.




GR

Congratulations!

The Human body, on ketosis, does not distinguish between dietary and stored fat.

It is simply tank "B."

Seamless, once the body is acclimated to the process.


Eight-Million years... and counting.




GR

If one can accurately assess daily consumption of < 20 g. Net Carbs, and is active?

The problem solves itself.




GR

Tank "B" is a perfect analogy GR.

Anyone that tells you that your body burns muscle before fat are 1. Either lying to you intentionally or 2. Have no idea what they are talking about.

This is after Intermittent Fasting for over 40 plus years. In fact, I was Intermittent Fasting, before it was even called that!

This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.


Keto Meter

Thank you kindly Longbob, do you like and trust it?

You are welcome. I have compared it against the pee sticks and they seem to coincide very well. My target is medium on the stick which I seem to range between small and medium most of the time. The blow meter would be 5 to 15 on the readout that I think best matches where I stay comfortably.

The improvements that I notice in the mirror, blood test results, and how I feel confirm those readings from both methods. I do like the blow meter more than the sticks. The sticks seem to stick together and I have to futz with them and isn't as precise in my opinion plus they get expensive.

Thanks man, I will order it today!

“The Hormonal Argument

For building muscle, testosterone is important. Fat intake is essential for healthy T levels since cholesterol, found primarily in animal products, serves as a precursor for testosterone production, among other things.

But fat isn't the only nutrient you need to maintain healthy testosterone levels. Carbs, specifically post-workout, have been shown to restore muscle glycogen, reduce cortisol levels, and improve testosterone levels.

Going deeper, you need to understand the role of glucose. Glucose from carbohydrates plays an important role in GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) levels. Its secretion leads to other vital hormonal functions in the body. GnRH leads to the release of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) – both of which are precursors to testosterone production.

So without enough carbs, these processes won't run like they should and you'll miss out on testosterone and forfeit muscle growth.

So what do studies show about testosterone when you jump on the ketogenic bandwagon? One, published in the European Journal of Applied Physiology, tested the differences between a low-carb diet (30 percent carbs) and a high carb diet (60 percent carbs) on T levels. The low-carb diet actually had a much higher percentage of carbs than what keto will allow, so it wasn't a true ketogenic diet.

The men were tested after four days on this protocol. The researchers found that the men on the higher carb diet had a greater release of testosterone-producing hormones.

Also, those on the low-carb diet had greater levels of cortisol – your body's stress hormone (4). How much higher would it have been if the men were on a true ketogenic diet with a much lower percentage of their intake coming from carbs?

Chronically high cortisol is a pure testosterone-killer. If your cortisol levels are elevated too high for too long, your testosterone will drop like a sack of soggy potatoes. And when your T levels drop, your body isn't in the optimal environment for building muscle.

Not only that, but when cortisol levels are elevated for too long, your body begins to store fat. So in this way, not only does the ketogenic diet prevent you from putting on as much muscle mass as you could, but it may also cause you to store more fat than you would on a standard moderate-high carb diet.

“ Keto Slows Down Muscle Recovery

The most important part of building muscle is what you do after you train. When you work out, you break down muscle tissue and deplete glycogen stores in the muscle. In order for your muscles to grow, you need to fill those muscles back up with glucose.

That's where carbs come in. Carbs enhance the speed of muscle recovery and actually keep you from becoming catabolic. Catabolism is a fancy term for muscle loss. And the journal, Nutrition Today, shows that following up a workout with carbs is the surest way to prevent muscle loss from happening (5).

Your muscles need sufficient glycogen stores for energy so you can hit the weights as hard as possible. Without them, you'll fall short of what you're truly capable of achieving in the gym. You'll lift less weight, which means you'll also build less muscle.

Now, someone who's privy to the ketogenic diet will say, "Well, the point of keto is that your body uses ketone bodies for energy rather than carbs. Isn't it the same thing? You're still getting energy."

Though it's true your body will use a "secondary source" to supply energy to your body, it's just that – a secondary source. Ketosis is more like your body's defense mechanism. Your body prefers to use carbs for energy, especially when it comes to building muscle.”

“But That's Not the Worst Part

During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.

This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.


If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.

But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).

That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.

References

Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.

Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607

Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.

Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol
. 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.

Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.

The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.

The Sugar diet - has one advantage over Keto+Fasting:




Performance Athletics.

Shovel in enough sugar, and one becomes a "Top Fuel Dragster."

More power, faster down the strip, runs out of gas, needs to be rebuilt for the next event, and eventually breaks down and gets replaced.

Useless - except for making Other People Money.


A "Ford GT," on the other hand?

Maybe 1/4 second slower in the 1/4 mile, but 65 mph faster, will run flat out for a coupla hundred miles without refueling, and 100's of Thousands of miles without mechanical issues - a Lifetime.

And that is Keto+Fasting.




GR

And the Human body has been happily making Glucose out of proteins, in the Liver, for quite a while...


Eight-Million years... and counting.




GR

It’s not a “sugar diet” or a “baby food diet”

It’s a diet rich in quality, complex carbohydrates

You don’t want to perform at a high level athletically?

It’s all about “skinny fat”?

LMFAO

“But That's Not the Worst Part

During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.

This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.


If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.

But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).

That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.

References

Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.

Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607

Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.

Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol
. 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.

Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.

The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.

Rick...

Carbohydrates - are Folded, Bonded Sugar.

They generally require cooking to start the decomposition process - which classifies them as non-Human food, because Humans, and our non-ape ancestors, lived without cooking fire for well over Eight-Million years.

And when the body does eventually break down the starch into it's constituent parts - Sugar - it dumps All of it into the system at once.

This causes blood-suger spikes, as well as Fat accumulation.

Rock -> Gravel -> Sand... absorbed all at once.


Eight-Million years... and counting.




GR

“ The men were tested after four days on this protocol. The researchers found that the men on the higher carb diet had a greater release of testosterone-producing hormones.”

References

Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.

Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607

Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.

Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol
. 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.

Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.

The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.

And the Human body has been happily making Glucose out of proteins, in the Liver, for quite a while...


Eight-Million years... and counting.




GR