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What about guns?When do we get guns?
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Yawn. I'd rather they had put their time into a 5mm/.204 cal. on the .17 WSM case.
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Very possibly way better bullet designs could be had over the 160+ year old heeled one, but thinking the LR is dug in way too deep to have something so close to even shake it up.
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They really ought to concentrate on improving the quality of the RF ammunition they make now.
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They’re trying to squeeze it into an mighty tiny niche…..
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Might be a run on 22LR ammo if word of this gets out. I'm an average Joe and no way I am rebarreling my 22LR for a smaller grain bullet and no advantage in anything as II can see.
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They really ought to concentrate on improving the quality of the RF ammunition they make now. Suspect they might run up against SAAMI stipulated specifications. That’s likely the reason for the development of so many of the new cartridges which appear to be similar, but not exactly identical, to old cartridge.
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Doa, and somewhat moronic.
22LR has its flaws, but is a mature cartridge. Plus below it is 17hm2 which ... I've never seen anyone shoot. And above it are 17hmr and 22wmr which are deeply entrenched, mature and popular cartridges.
A "22lr" with a non heeled bullet seems nice.... but in reality what does it gain? Nothing that makes a "reasonable" sense. It is at best, a side grade.
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I’m usually all in on new cartidges that fill a niche, however tiny. Not sure where this one fits in, as some .22 hyper-velocity loads hang right in there with the stated performance of this one, and we all know how claimed performance usually pans out in reality.
3040Krag has a point, based on my last foray into Winchester RF ammo. Lots of duds, and with premium HSHPs, not bulk crap.
What fresh Hell is this?
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Hope it sells better than the last several new cartridges that have came out in the last few years.
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It would have the ability to use higher BC bullets for "long range" rimfire shoots.
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It would have the ability to use higher BC bullets for "long range" rimfire shoots. That sounds like the most marketable reason. The number of target shooters compared to the number of hunters has been increasing for a while now.
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They’re trying to squeeze it into an mighty tiny niche….. Yep.
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It would have the ability to use higher BC bullets for "long range" rimfire shoots. That sounds like the most marketable reason. The number of target shooters compared to the number of hunters has been increasing for a while now. Long range/precision/practical Rimfire matches are popular right now, so Winchester is probably seeing a market opportunity. Several reasons for the popularity are that rimfire matches don't take such an extensive shooting range as long range centerfire matches, so are able to be done in more locations, and it is also far cheaper to equip the shooter.
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It would have the ability to use higher BC bullets for "long range" rimfire shoots. That sounds like the most marketable reason. The number of target shooters compared to the number of hunters has been increasing for a while now. Long range/precision/practical Rimfire matches are popular right now, so Winchester is probably seeing a market opportunity. Several reasons for the popularity are that rimfire matches don't take such an extensive shooting range as long range centerfire matches, so are able to be done in more locations, and it is also far cheaper to equip the shooter. Only 22 Long Rifle ammo is legal in PRS matches (or any other sanctioned rimfire rifle matches I am aware of). Benchrest ,Silhouette, Bullseye you name it. Only 22LR is allowed. THAT is not likely to change. If it were- 22 magnum and 17HMR would already be legal for those matches.. I really believe you are missing the point as to why Winchester is developing the 21 Sharps round. Hint- it is NOT to compete against the 22 LR as match cartridge.
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It would have the ability to use higher BC bullets for "long range" rimfire shoots. That sounds like the most marketable reason. The number of target shooters compared to the number of hunters has been increasing for a while now. Long range/precision/practical Rimfire matches are popular right now, so Winchester is probably seeing a market opportunity. Several reasons for the popularity are that rimfire matches don't take such an extensive shooting range as long range centerfire matches, so are able to be done in more locations, and it is also far cheaper to equip the shooter. Only 22 Long Rifle ammo is legal in PRS matches (or any other sanctioned rimfire rifle matches I am aware of). Benchrest ,Silhouette, Bullseye you name it. Only 22LR is allowed. THAT is not likely to change. If it were- 22 magnum and 17HMR would already be legal for those matches.. I really believe you are missing the point as to why Winchester is developing the 21 Sharps round. Hint- it is NOT to compete against the 22 LR as match cartridge. Ok why? Do they want to compete with 17hm2?
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They really ought to concentrate on improving the quality of the RF ammunition they make now. -FACT-
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They really ought to concentrate on improving the quality of the RF ammunition they make now. Agreed, and I'd also add that I'd like to see some effort expended on developing "match grade" 22 magnum ammo. Put the same love into it that goes into Eley Tenex for example.
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