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Because every time - is better than a little faster.






GR

Pass the AR.

Hold the bull schit.



-Not a Gun Writer.

You might wanna pattern some of these loads you're promoting @ 7-10yds.

And if you're emptying rounds toward an occupied room, you're gonna have risk of penetrating regardless. It's a moronic argument.

M2 works every time also

deflave;
Good afternoon Travis, I hope the Labour Day weekend is behaving for you all and you've all survived the storm okay.

While I've played with quite a few different models and brands of shotguns, mostly pump but a couple semi-auto, if I lived in a free country I'd run an AR variant.

There's a whole lot to go wrong in any tube feed magazine system and I've seen them bobble on the silliest little thing.

Again, I don't happen to live in a free country and thus these are the current "social arms for recalcitrant bruins" that we'll use camping, meat packing or hazing bears out of the yard.



They've all been taken apart, slicked up and had replacement parts installed where I've seen failures, such as mag springs and Hi-Viz, low friction Delrin followers installed.

Even with all that, they're still a bit of a compromise in my experience, usually because of feeding issues.

Friends and family who are LEO and/or 3 gun match shooters tell me they've seen similar issues.

Maybe some of the magazine fed pump guns "might" be better, but I've never handled one, much less shot one so would be guessing.

To be clear too Travis, I have less than bugger all experience shooting AR variants, so am basing my opinion there on the folks mentioned above.

All the best to you all down south sir.

Dwayne

$200.00 vs $230.00..

I don't think that price range covers AR's?
Maybe a PCC?

Not that I'm against a good argument.
:-)

The Mossberg 870 CYL Bbl. cost less than $80 for my ole bird-n-skeet gun.

... and takes less than a minute to change back on the way out to the field.




GR

I have mossberg 940 pro tactical with holosun 407K on it.

just going to point out the penetration from a single projectile such as a handgun or ar it's going to depend a lot up on the bullet not the case or weapon it was fired in

I have a Benelli SBE. Best shotgun bar none that I ever had. Light weight, recoil operated, so you can shoot it dirty. Never had a problem. I use it to shoot #8 shot for sporting clays, skeet, 5 stand, and trap. Have 5-6 choke tubes. I can shoot 3-1/2" magnum loads interchangebly with #8 bird shot. Now, the new Browning Auto 5 works the same way. You have to spend your money, but it is worth it. I have owned the old Browning Auto 5, Remington 1187 and 1100, 870, Mossburg 500. My son uses a Beretta and he likes it. Gas operated shotguns, if you don't keep them clean, are prone to jamb on you.

I’ve had a sbe and a m2 could NEVER get bird field to cycle . Benelli says change spring changed spring then duck wouldn’t work. Screw that for $1500+ it better shoot anything. Sx2 beretta and browning no problems even my Remington but Benelli is a piece of crap and I had more than 1 of each flavor and same issue

I shot about 5-6 really heavy loads out of the SBE when I got it. Then lubed the springs really well. I read about what you said to start with. Heavy loads break in the spring, then lube both the springs with Breakfree CLP. Never had a problem shooting anything after that.

The internal springs come from the factory with grease covering them. Clean the grease out, and lube with a lighter oil. No problem. I did this when I bought it as per the salesperson. I assume the Browning recoil operated one works the same. I also put a mercury recoil suppressor in the stock. This may help also.

Shotguns do hold a lot of value for a lot of reasons and one of them might be the lack of being able to legally own and use other platforms.

But here in the US where ARs are so prevalent the shotgun becomes a niche platform. And most people don't even know how niche their shotgun really is when compared to an AR.

If you do tests on drywall you will find most shotgun loads penetrating the same or further than most handgun and rifle ammo.

But the funniest thing about the penetration argument in a home is based on the idea that we are going to fire toward a wall that is acting as a partition between my wife and child, and they are in direct line with my fire.

To which I say "Give me a fugking break."

LOL

You might wanna get her a new husband for Christmas.


-Not a Gun Writer

For me, the Mossberg pump is the only choice, for one very simple reason, THE THUMB SAFETY !!!!!!! WHEN "PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, fumbling for those easy to build, hard to operate safetys in the trigger guard are useless !!!!!!

Not a writer, but an easy choice for me. And I'd look for a used Remington 870 or Ithaca 37 before buying a new cheap import.

Jeebus,

Still many misconceptions of shotgun penetration, or so it seems. Many penetration test on the tube, but if ya haven't done a few yourself, how would you know which tester was FOS or not.

Hit a newly being built subdivison & raid a dumpster. Grab some pieces of drywall, plywood if ya can, or anything else ya see that you'd wonder if a shotgun shot would penetrate. See for yourself. Informative and FUN!

Yes. Please add in the "alley sweeper" concept that you don't have to aim a shotgun. Just point the gauge in the general direction and mash the trigger. Everything in front of the shooter will be destroyed from 5 - 50 yards! Like a Claymore mine! It's just not so and you can tell who has actually patterned a shotgun and who hasn't.