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Why is TRH always trying to coerce us into watching his quackdoodle religious garbage?
And why is Misdemeanor such an ass?
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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I largely agree with that. What is Israel at it’s heart? It’s a small nation that is so socialist it’s almost communist. They have strict gun control. They had the strictest vaccine mandate on earth. They suck billions in aid from us every year. And so and so forth. In short they are a lot of things people on this board claim to hate and would be willing to stage a revolution if it were done here. So why the love?
We don’t owe Israel more than we do any other foreign country. We should support them when it suits our purposes and oppose them when it doesn’t. There is no need to engender the hate of half the world for them.
The attacks last week were horrific. The bombings of civilians in Gaza this week are horrific. The war, if it involves us will be catastrophic. We will lose even if we win.
I guess when comes down to it, I’m for America and Americans. I don’t in a general sense, give a damn about Israel or the Palestinians. I don’t wish them any harm and all have a right to defend themselves, but I see no reason to involve America or Americans in said conflicts.
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Why is TRH always trying to coerce us into watching his quackdoodle religious garbage?
And why is Misdemeanor such an ass? I am an ass? I bet you worship mega ministers like hagee with his private jet paid for by jewish billionaires who is a slave of israel and fleeces millions of his followers who barely have any money. Baldwin exposes them and the police state
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I largely agree with that. What is Israel at it’s heart? It’s a small nation that is so socialist it’s almost communist. They have strict gun control. They had the strictest vaccine mandate on earth. They suck billions in aid from us every year. And so and so forth. In short they are a lot of things people on this board claim to hate and would be willing to stage a revolution if it were done here. So why the love?
We don’t owe Israel more than we do any other foreign country. We should support them when it suits our purposes and oppose them when it doesn’t. There is no need to engender the hate of half the world for them.
The attacks last week were horrific. The bombings of civilians in Gaza this week are horrific. The war, if it involves us will be catastrophic. We will lose even if we win.
I guess he nit comes down to it, I’m for America and Americans. I don’t in a general sense, give a damn about Israel or the Palestinians. I don’t wish them any harm and all have a right to defend themselves, but I see no reason to involve America or Americans in said conflicts. israel was founded by communists from russia and poland. a kibbitz is a communist enclave. bernie sanders in the early 60's was in russia training to be a communist. when he saw the communist kibbitzes he rushed to israel and lived in one
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There is no one on this board who can articulate a good reason as to why we should be all in on Israel. You can say they are our ally, but what do they offer? They won’t let us nor do we desire to station a significant amount of troops there. That would inflame our other allies in the region. They played little role in our middle eastern wars for the same reason. They get billions from us every year.
In reality, they are at best our client state, completely dependent upon us for their existence and offering very little to nothing in return. At worst, we are their client state, supporting them against all reason and structuring our foreign policy around their needs.
There are only two reasons they have the outsized influence they do. The first is a wealthy and influential diaspora in our country. The second is the support of American evangelicals. Combined, that is a powerful political reality for our leaders.
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From our point of view, Israel is a trash country. However, God has chosen them and we can't outvote God. He sees them in a totally different light, as his people, even though they've totally rejected him. When the final crunch comes, they will wake up to the truth. Before then, every country in the world will turn against them. It'll be them against all the rest, including us. However, God says hands off. They're his meat and he'll deal with them in his own time and his own way. Anyone who interferes will be in for a very bad time. The world will be going up against God himself, not against Israel. You really don't want to be there.
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There are only two reasons they have the outsized influence they do. The first is a wealthy and influential diaspora in our country. The second is the support of American evangelicals. Combined, that is a powerful political reality for our leaders. The latter having been carefully engineered. Scofield had massive financial backing from you know who for his Reference Bible, to the point he could afford to make them available to every Protestant seminary and divinity school in the nation in massive numbers free of charge.
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The real hawkeye: Are you posting about "proportionalism"???
What ever you are linking to I could run across or look up myself - I would much rather you post your views on a subject (which you seldom if ever do!) than to post a "link" with NO comment, remark or opinion by you!
I mean WTF?
Let us know what YOU think about the linked to subject (what ever it is) and I may read it or join in on the conversation.
In short I have NEVER sat around a CampFire with friends, partners or even with strangers and had any of them ask me to go read an article, without them commenting on why I should or what they think about said article.
Let me know by P/M (if for some reason you wish to keep your views somewhat private), if you care to.
Thats what "I" think - and I am not afraid or hesitant to post it.
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From our point of view, Israel is a trash country. However, God has chosen them and we can't outvote God. He sees them in a totally different light, as his people, even though they've totally rejected him. When the final crunch comes, they will wake up to the truth. Before then, every country in the world will turn against them. It'll be them against all the rest, including us. However, God says hands off. They're his meat and he'll deal with them in his own time and his own way. Anyone who interferes will be in for a very bad time. The world will be going up against God himself, not against Israel. You really don't want to be there. God chose them as the vehicle to bring Jesus to the world. That is done. Now, they are no different than anyone else.
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From our point of view, Israel is a trash country. However, God has chosen them and we can't outvote God. He sees them in a totally different light, as his people, even though they've totally rejected him. When the final crunch comes, they will wake up to the truth. Before then, every country in the world will turn against them. It'll be them against all the rest, including us. However, God says hands off. They're his meat and he'll deal with them in his own time and his own way. Anyone who interferes will be in for a very bad time. The world will be going up against God himself, not against Israel. You really don't want to be there. God chose them as the vehicle to bring Jesus to the world. That is done. Now, they are no different than anyone else. Thank you. That is the historical Christian view on the matter. The Darby crap is modern novelty.
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And I’ll say this in slight defense of Darby and Scofield. Let’s assume for the sake of argument they were right. How does modern Israel as it stands right now play into that? How do you know this Israel is the prophetic incarnation? There are still more Jews in the United States than there are in Israel. Israel as it is now could be completely wiled off the face of the earth, every Jew dispersed or killed, and there would still be plenty of Jews available to fulfill any prophecy.
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The great irony is that I’m pretty sure Jews and Judaism would survive the destruction of modern Israel much better than American Christianity. Evangelicals have become so enamored with and wrapped up in this idea that God will not forsake modern Israel that i believe the destruction of Israel would be the destruction of faith in America. It might cause a “great falling away” if you will.
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From our point of view, Israel is a trash country. However, God has chosen them and we can't outvote God. He sees them in a totally different light, as his people, even though they've totally rejected him. When the final crunch comes, they will wake up to the truth. Before then, every country in the world will turn against them. It'll be them against all the rest, including us. However, God says hands off. They're his meat and he'll deal with them in his own time and his own way. Anyone who interferes will be in for a very bad time. The world will be going up against God himself, not against Israel. You really don't want to be there. God chose them as the vehicle to bring Jesus to the world. That is done. Now, they are no different than anyone else. then they had him crucified
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The great irony is that I’m pretty sure Jews and Judaism would survive the destruction of modern Israel much better than American Christianity. Evangelicals have become so enamored with and wrapped up in this idea that God will not forsake modern Israel that i believe the destruction of Israel would be the destruction of faith in America. It might cause a “great falling away” if you will. It would be a falling away from a false religion, which is what Dispensationalism is.
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Faith is becoming harder and harder to rely on in the face of truths being exposed.
The age of immediate news and communication is revealing much.
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The great irony is that I’m pretty sure Jews and Judaism would survive the destruction of modern Israel much better than American Christianity. Evangelicals have become so enamored with and wrapped up in this idea that God will not forsake modern Israel that i believe the destruction of Israel would be the destruction of faith in America. It might cause a “great falling away” if you will. It would be a falling away from a false religion, which is what Dispensationalism is. No, you’re wrong there. People who believe the Jews still have a special role to play are not heretics. They might be wrong i that one area, but that alone does not make them heretics. I’m not dogmatic on it. I ould be wrong.
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Why is TRH always trying to coerce us into watching his quackdoodle religious garbage?
And why is Misdemeanor such an ass? I loved your Covid analysis lol Jim1611 #15068901 07/21/20 Online Content
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Campfire OutfitterI Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,278 The North Coast Originally Posted by Jim1611 So we should trust people that have lied about this virus over and over in order to manipulate and scare people. No vaccine for me. It's shaping up way too much to look like the "mark of the beast" to me. Moronic comment. Nobody lied to anybody except for Fauci's attempt to divert us fro using masks so hospital workers could get some. Bad for him to do that.
Aside from that, nobody knew the severity of this virus. Would you rather have them say "no problem" and 2,000,000 people die or say, "it's very serious" and have it not be serious? They just didn't know.
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No, you’re wrong there. People who believe the Jews still have a special role to play are not heretics. "And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass." Joshua 21:43-45 It was a two way bargain, though. The Jews failed their end repeatedly, and were expelled. There's no reestablishing of Judaism and the Temple. Its veil was rent in two. That's old and dead. There's a New Covenant for all, now, only through faith in Jesus. This is Christianity. Anything else is from the deceiver, and is a path to destruction. I'm convinced the Dispensationalists are going to participate in bringing The Beast to power and will worship him, and will be among his agents in persecuting true Christians for refusing to worship The Beast and his false temple.
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I agree with Joebob if hardly make eschatology a salvation issue.
It is an error, but I have no doubt that my understanding of Scripture is far from perfect and the grace of God will be necessary to cover over a great many erroneous ideas when I’m gathered round the throne.
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If he's proclaiming these "interpretation" from the pulpit, he is a false prophet. You do realize that no one before the 19th century understood eschatology the way you do, and that if you genuinely believe what you say above, you’re condemning the vast majority of Christian preachers all the way back to the beginning of the Church, wherever you may believe that to be? Hubristic to the -enth, and unbecoming the sinner saved by grace that I’ve always believed you to be. I am indeed a sinner saved by grace and have never said otherwise so please don't misunderstand or misinterpret or put words in my mouth. I posted in a different thread TRH posted on, although on the very same subject, that the Bible/gospel preaching preachers that I really admire and follow..... Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, RC Sproul, John McArthur, and David Jeremiah, all uphold the Pretribulation rapture with scripture, Israel as God's chosen people, etc and I'm quite sure they are much more astute Biblical scholars than TRH, myself, and anyone here. My own attempt at study proves the same thing to me.
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