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The outright decency of many here is as equally shocking as the total douchery of others. Best wishes to the good guys!
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That's terrible . My condolences for your loss.
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The outright decency of many here is as equally shocking as the total douchery of others. Best wishes to the good guys! All the good guys haven't left....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
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A little story about Bruce:
We'd never met and I was new to posting on this forum (lurker) and I had mentioned that my two dogs had recently died within a month of each other. One good girl of old age, the little one with cancer. Right at Christmas time.
Out of the blue Bruce pm'd me and said that he had a beautiful pure bred pup for free if I wanted it. I reluctantly declined, still feeling raw about losing my companions. His generous and kind offer puts him permanently in the good guy camp.
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So sorry to hear about your loss. Just 2 weeks ago we had to put down our 15 year old Jack Russell and it was one of the toughest things I have ever gone through.
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Bruce, that's a heartbreaker! I don't know you, and I'm not even a dog guy. But my daughter and son in law are. Their Griffon, Sage, had a beautiful litter and they've sold all but one or two females. I think they've been getting $1500, but PM me and I'm sure I could get you the 24Hr Campfire 100% discount. There's more happy hunts ahead! GTC22 That's about as cool as it gets! If your kids still have one of those pups around in a month, I'd be super interested. (Not looking for any special pricing. Happy to pay for the right pup)
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a non certified, non navdha breed back yard breeder Whpg to replace a hunting dog is great! this thread has entered the absurd
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie.
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This is terrible. I’m so sorry for your loss.
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Condolences,that must have been so hard for you.
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you ....
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... While I don't disagree with much of what you just said, I don't see the point in rubbing it in. Or even pointing it out. Sounds like a lesson was already learned the hard way.
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... How do you know so much about the breeder? I assume anyone spending money would do their due diligence regarding lineage, health certs, ect...
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... So many questions. What’s your point? Why don’t skip all the questions and just state your opinion instead of the twenty questions routine? Reminds me of the way most females communicate.
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no lesson, no responsibility was learned. that is my point . just get a replacement puppy and make dumb decisions again. The unfortunate dog died from an un responsible owner who put the dog unprepared in a dangerous environment maybe you can point out where the op will change behavior regarding running upland dogs in dangerous chukar cliffy areas? why would a serious upland hunter buy a dog from a griff breeder who will not provide certification from genetic defects, from an untested breeder? love your input this entire situation sucks. but they point should be not to et this happen again The dog suffered needlessly Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... While I don't disagree with much of what you just said, I don't see the point in rubbing it in. Or even pointing it out. Sounds like a lesson was already learned the hard way.
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Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... Know all the risks and prepare for them all? If you are as experienced as you say, you know that's not possible. Hunting with dogs is inherently dangerous for the dogs. Scheit happens. I've never lost one hunting but I know of much better handlers than myself who have
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so you dont run hunting dogs obviously Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... So many questions. What’s your point? Why don’t skip all the questions and just state your opinion instead of the twenty questions routine? Reminds me of the way most females communicate.
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of course you can lose hunting dogs despite all of your preparations what precautions did the op take hunting in chukar country? no e collars, no training, no gps, no dog sling, no rope, no back up plan to get dog out if injured. perhaps you have more insight? Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... Know all the risks and prepare for them all? If you are as experienced as you say, you know that's not possible. Hunting with dogs is inherently dangerous for the dogs. Scheit happens. I've never lost one hunting but I know of much better handlers than myself who have
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of course you can lose hunting dogs despite all of your preparations what precautions did the op take hunting in chukar country? no e collars, no training, no gps, no dog sling, no rope, no back up plan to get dog out if injured. perhaps you have more insight? Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... Know all the risks and prepare for them all? If you are as experienced as you say, you know that's not possible. Hunting with dogs is inherently dangerous for the dogs. Scheit happens. I've never lost one hunting but I know of much better handlers than myself who have Nope, Obviously you know it all.
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the first thing breeder does is list health certs and genetic background. no serious upland hunter would respond to a random breeder post this would never happen As a long time wired hared grif owner I know this as many back yard breeders have got into breeding selling puppies to make a buck to non hunting customers No reputable griff breeder or hunting dog breeder would give away puppies random on the internet without a thorough background interview and just offer them over the internet, but as an upland hunting dog owner im sure you know this lol Is it anyway to recover her? Have any rock climbing buddies, friends with rappelling gear? Any rock climbing onion-heads you can whip up down at Starbucks? The mountain is too dangerous. I was headed to go up, but my wife stopped me. She said she couldn't lose us both. I've been there many times, and a lot of chukar live on the steep face. A lot of hunters hunt the canyon at it's base, but I have never seen anyone on the face or even up it 10-20 feet. Ya but what about someone else? Like a local climber? That would take work, money and planning to rescue a hunting dog and family member Better to get a back yard breeder to replace a rare hunting breed like a wired haired pointing griiff That's a bit of a low blow. I know of a dozen rock face mountainsides in Nevada that no one should climb. It's all crumbling shale. Lots of false holds that would pop off if you tried to grab them. None of that volcanic rock is stable. What's the point? Dogs dead. Let her lie. When you're working with working breeds as a human being you should know all of the risks and prepare for them before sending the dog in to work with you. I spend 3 months hunting chukar a year. I use griffs. why would an upland hunter send his dog in unsafe areas with no safety back ups or safety plans? no e collar, no training , no gps? Why would a hunter send his dog in a dangerous cliff area blinded with no visual of his dog and no way to avoid a dangerous situation and no way to call his dog from a dangerous cliff area and have no back plan if schit goes bad when his dog is injured or can't get out ? Why would an an upland hunter get a dog from an uncertified breeder especially when he cant afford a good upland dog? this was a plugged up situation from the beginning maybe more insight from you .... How do you know so much about the breeder? I assume anyone spending money would do their due diligence regarding lineage, health certs, ect...
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