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Third rifle opener #18921683 11/12/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Old son took nice 6x7 last evening out of a herd here on the ranch with his 1954 vintage Model 70 30/06. Nosler partition 180 pt bullet. 55 grns H4350. 140 yds. Then they all ran down the meadow to me. And I got a gap in the herd and got this 5x5 at about 200 yds with old Husqvarna ( one We rechambered to 93.x62) 270 grain Speer Hot core and I can’t remember the load of IMR 4064. Boom flopped this boy! Last edited by kaywoodie; 11/12/23. Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922212 11/12/23 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,808 Likes: 1 north central minnesota j_elky Campfire Regular j_elky Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,808 Likes: 1 north central minnesota Hell yeah!! Classy rifle!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922216 11/12/23 Joined: Sep 2019 Posts: 2,082 Willamette Valley S SS336 Campfire Regular SS336 Campfire Regular S Joined: Sep 2019 Posts: 2,082 Willamette Valley Great trip! Beautiful bulls. Cool rifles. Congratulations. 👍👍

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922310 11/12/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Thanks, fellas! Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922385 11/12/23 Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 1,390 Texas T TX35W Campfire Regular TX35W Campfire Regular T Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 1,390 Texas Nice work!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922438 11/12/23 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 8,227 Likes: 1 PA Teeder Campfire Outfitter Teeder Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 8,227 Likes: 1 PA Excellent!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922594 11/12/23 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,506 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger 79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,506 Alaska valley trash Nice congrats! Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922720 11/12/23 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,287 Likes: 1 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,287 Likes: 1 Congrat's kaywoodie! “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922794 11/12/23 Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,390 Likes: 4 Idaho Leanwolf Campfire Outfitter Leanwolf Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,390 Likes: 4 Idaho Well done. Meat for the freezer and good memories. Thanks for the pictures and narrative. L.W. "Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922917 11/12/23 Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 780 Likes: 5 Dallas, TX AdventureBound Campfire Regular AdventureBound Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 780 Likes: 5 Dallas, TX Congrats! Adventure is the only thing you buy that makes you richer

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18922983 11/12/23 Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 654 Likes: 1 Steelruger22 Campfire Regular Steelruger22 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 654 Likes: 1 Awesome job! I am so bummed I missed out elk hunting this year Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same... President Ronald Reagan

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923195 11/12/23 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,736 Minnesocialism B bigwhoop Campfire Ranger bigwhoop Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,736 Minnesocialism Congrats to both of you on a great elk hunt with classics. My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923411 11/12/23 Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,002 Magnolia,TX D Deans Campfire Regular Deans Campfire Regular D Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,002 Magnolia,TX Congrats to both of you!! ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ “Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” ISAIAH 41:10

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923419 11/12/23 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 4,043 No. Illinois W Westman Campfire Tracker Westman Campfire Tracker W Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 4,043 No. Illinois Well done! Congrats.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923511 11/12/23 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,914 Likes: 11 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,914 Likes: 11 Hi-Line I like the first pic!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923515 11/12/23 Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 2,430 North East Ohio B Bocajnala Campfire Regular Bocajnala Campfire Regular B Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 2,430 North East Ohio Nice rifles and bulls! Small Game, Deer, Turkey, Bear, Elk....It's what's for dinner. If you know how many guns you own... you don't own enough. In God We Trust.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923519 11/12/23 Joined: Jul 2018 Posts: 297 oklahoma A adamsguy Campfire Member adamsguy Campfire Member A Joined: Jul 2018 Posts: 297 oklahoma Great rifles and elk

Re: Third rifle opener Steelruger22 #18923757 11/12/23 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,506 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger 79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,506 Alaska valley trash Originally Posted by Steelruger22 Awesome job! I am so bummed I missed out elk hunting this year you must be in 3d Bde.. That bde could ruin a wet dream. Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923839 11/12/23 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 18,929 Likes: 1 NM S SLM Campfire Ranger SLM Campfire Ranger S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 18,929 Likes: 1 NM Good stuff, congrats.

Re: Third rifle opener SamOlson #18923842 11/12/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Originally Posted by SamOlson I like the first pic! Thanks Sam. Son took that with his iphone. I told him, " damn that’s an awesome pic!” Only thing bad is all the fire scar on the mtn behind from the 2020 Troublesome creek fire. It was bad! Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18923850 11/12/23 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,529 central texas T tx270 Campfire Regular tx270 Campfire Regular T Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,529 central texas Well done! Congrats to both of you! Bill

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18924072 11/13/23 Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Doubling on the opener is awesome! Great job! 🦫 Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18924156 11/13/23 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,439 Likes: 1 SW Georgia G Godogs57 Campfire Tracker Godogs57 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,439 Likes: 1 SW Georgia Wow! Great job. Happened fast! Congrats. You only live once, but...if you do it right, once is enough.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18924370 11/13/23 Joined: May 2017 Posts: 1,056 Likes: 1 Justahunter Campfire Regular Justahunter Campfire Regular Joined: May 2017 Posts: 1,056 Likes: 1 Very awesome! Todd

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18924540 11/13/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Found my data. Was shooting 56 grains of IMR 4064 behind that 270 grain Speer Hot-core. And thanks again fellas for the nice comments Last edited by kaywoodie; 11/13/23. Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18925355 11/13/23 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,537 S Sako76 Campfire Tracker Sako76 Campfire Tracker S Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,537 Way 2 go!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18925397 11/13/23 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,315 Likes: 2 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,315 Likes: 2 Northeast USA Congrats on the bulls with very cool rifles as well! Man, great work! Semper Fi

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18925591 11/13/23 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,729 Michigan, In , Boon S saddlering Campfire Ranger saddlering Campfire Ranger S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,729 Michigan, In , Boon Congrads Bob to the both of you! I'd say your on a Roll this season! Deer Camp! about as good as it gets!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18925658 11/13/23 Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 738 LHS905 Campfire Regular LHS905 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 738 Originally Posted by kaywoodie Originally Posted by SamOlson I like the first pic! Only thing bad is all the fire scar on the mtn behind from the 2020 Troublesome creek fire. It was bad! That was a bad one. The ridge shows that you were in the middle of it. How did the rest of the ranch fare? Lots of homes lost-bad deal. LHS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18925828 11/13/23 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,972 Northeastern Pennyslvania keystoneben Campfire Regular keystoneben Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,972 Northeastern Pennyslvania Good deal

Re: Third rifle opener LHS905 #18926152 11/13/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Originally Posted by LHS905 Originally Posted by kaywoodie Originally Posted by SamOlson I like the first pic! Only thing bad is all the fire scar on the mtn behind from the 2020 Troublesome creek fire. It was bad! That was a bad one. The ridge shows that you were in the middle of it. How did the rest of the ranch fare? Lots of homes lost-bad deal. LHS About 2/3’s of the ranch burned. But we lost no structures. One of the good things was my now late aunt who was ranch owner had started a pine beetle kill mitigation of lots of dead wood the year before. May have saved the south end of Grand Lake. Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18926819 11/14/23 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 96,158 Likes: 3 Southern New Mexico E elkhunternm Campfire Oracle elkhunternm Campfire Oracle E Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 96,158 Likes: 3 Southern New Mexico Originally Posted by kaywoodie Old son took nice 6x7 last evening out of a herd here on the ranch with his 1954 vintage Model 70 30/06. Nosler partition 180 pt bullet. 55 grns H4350. 140 yds. Then they all ran down the meadow to me. And I got a gap in the herd and got this 5x5 at about 200 yds with old Husqvarna ( one We rechambered to 93.x62) 270 grain Speer Hot core and I can’t remember the load of IMR 4064. Boom flopped this boy! Congrats to you and your son, Bob! Life Member SCI Life Member DSC Member New Mexico Shooting Sports Association Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard Ken

Re: Third rifle opener elkhunternm #18926939 11/14/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Originally Posted by elkhunternm Originally Posted by kaywoodie Old son took nice 6x7 last evening out of a herd here on the ranch with his 1954 vintage Model 70 30/06. Nosler partition 180 pt bullet. 55 grns H4350. 140 yds. Then they all ran down the meadow to me. And I got a gap in the herd and got this 5x5 at about 200 yds with old Husqvarna ( one We rechambered to 93.x62) 270 grain Speer Hot core and I can’t remember the load of IMR 4064. Boom flopped this boy! Congrats to you and your son, Bob! Thanks Ken Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18927054 11/14/23 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,651 Likes: 1 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,651 Likes: 1 Midwest Bob - you're on a roll! Congrats! WWP53D

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18927071 11/14/23 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,105 Likes: 6 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,105 Likes: 6 Colorado Congratulations, nice bulls! You made that sound too easy though. Those burn scars are kind of eerie, especially the ones right inside the park where the trees are all either blown over or snapped off in the same direction. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18927351 11/14/23 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 16,710 Likes: 3 Minnesota R Rooster7 Campfire Ranger Rooster7 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 16,710 Likes: 3 Minnesota Nice work! The deer hunter does not notice the mountains "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18927401 11/14/23 Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 8,919 Likes: 2 M Magnum_Bob Campfire Outfitter Magnum_Bob Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 8,919 Likes: 2 Congrats kw to you and your son. Done old school cool..mb " Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18927768 11/14/23 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,886 Likes: 1 On a raid Scotty Campfire Tracker Scotty Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,886 Likes: 1 On a raid Nice bull. Congratulations to your son.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18928225 11/14/23 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,611 Louisiana-U.S.A. J Joe Campfire Tracker Joe Campfire Tracker J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,611 Louisiana-U.S.A. Congratulations to you and your son! That old bull should have been proud to be shot with such a classy rifle. Shew me thy ways, O LORD: teach me thy paths. "there are few better cartridges on Earth than the 7 x 57mm Mauser" "the .30 Springfield is light, accurate, penetrating, and has surprising stopping power"

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18928242 11/14/23 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie OP Campfire 'Bwana OP kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas Thanks again fellas!! Much appreciated. I wrote in an earlier post I had loaded IMR 4064. It was 56 grains of IMR 4350! Geez! Anyway! Got it done. Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Third rifle opener elkhunternm #18928512 11/14/23 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,839 Likes: 4 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,839 Likes: 4 Southern Oregon USA Originally Posted by elkhunternm Originally Posted by kaywoodie Old son took nice 6x7 last evening out of a herd here on the ranch with his 1954 vintage Model 70 30/06. Nosler partition 180 pt bullet. 55 grns H4350. 140 yds. Then they all ran down the meadow to me. And I got a gap in the herd and got this 5x5 at about 200 yds with old Husqvarna ( one We rechambered to 93.x62) 270 grain Speer Hot core and I can’t remember the load of IMR 4064. Boom flopped this boy! Congrats to you and your son, Bob! Congrats there Bob! Nice elk with a classic rifle...Pics make it look like it was a nice day to be out on top of it. "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC “Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

Re: Third rifle opener elkhunternm #18928573 11/14/23 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 69,286 Likes: 14 TX chlinstructor Campfire Kahuna chlinstructor Campfire Kahuna Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 69,286 Likes: 14 TX Originally Posted by elkhunternm Originally Posted by kaywoodie Old son took nice 6x7 last evening out of a herd here on the ranch with his 1954 vintage Model 70 30/06. Nosler partition 180 pt bullet. 55 grns H4350. 140 yds. Then they all ran down the meadow to me. And I got a gap in the herd and got this 5x5 at about 200 yds with old Husqvarna ( one We rechambered to 93.x62) 270 grain Speer Hot core and I can’t remember the load of IMR 4064. Boom flopped this boy! Congrats to you and your son, Bob! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 "Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!" ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18928674 11/14/23 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,792 Likes: 1 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,792 Likes: 1 Wyoming Great job K. Molon Labe

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18931731 11/16/23 Joined: May 2017 Posts: 4,920 Sweet Home W WAM Campfire Tracker WAM Campfire Tracker W Joined: May 2017 Posts: 4,920 Sweet Home Originally Posted by kaywoodie Thanks again fellas!! Much appreciated. I wrote in an earlier post I had loaded IMR 4064. It was 56 grains of IMR 4350! Geez! Anyway! Got it done. I’ll bet that bull couldn’t tell the difference between 4064 and 4350! Great job! I’m deer hunting next week with my 9.3 Lite, aka .35 Whelen. Got to drag it out of the safe with a new scope. Last edited by WAM; 11/16/23. Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18931842 11/16/23 Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 4,576 J Jim1611 Campfire Tracker Jim1611 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 4,576 Originally Posted by kaywoodie Old son took nice 6x7 last evening out of a herd here on the ranch with his 1954 vintage Model 70 30/06. Nosler partition 180 pt bullet. 55 grns H4350. 140 yds. Then they all ran down the meadow to me. And I got a gap in the herd and got this 5x5 at about 200 yds with old Husqvarna ( one We rechambered to 93.x62) 270 grain Speer Hot core and I can’t remember the load of IMR 4064. Boom flopped this boy! What a day! You fellows will have allot of memories from that hunt and allot of excellent meat for the table. Congratulations to you both and hats off for the fine shooting.

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18932573 11/16/23 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,764 Western Colorado B BeanMan Campfire Tracker BeanMan Campfire Tracker B Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,764 Western Colorado Congrats Kay!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18932682 11/16/23 Joined: Jul 2023 Posts: 40 M MahoningValley Campfire Greenhorn MahoningValley Campfire Greenhorn M Joined: Jul 2023 Posts: 40 Gettin it done kaywoodie!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18932705 11/16/23 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,460 D duckster Campfire Tracker duckster Campfire Tracker D Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,460 Very nice! Also not a bunch of snow to contend with!

Re: Third rifle opener kaywoodie #18934690 11/17/23 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 2,200 Elizabeth, CO T TRnCO Campfire Regular TRnCO Campfire Regular T Joined: May 2011 Posts: 2,200 Elizabeth, CO Congrats Kaywoodie. I got an invite from my neighbor to join their group to hunt that area. The first time I've been up there since the big fire. We saw more elk in 2.5 days than I've seen in all of my other elk hunts combined. Unfortunately,, they were all on private . Having no trees to hide in sure makes them visible from miles away. Laws aren't preventative measures. In other words, more laws won't prevent gun crime from happening.