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i do believe in a God or a Goddess. there has to somebody to turn on lights and what happens next?


i don't believe in a fable, like most of the New Testament. i don't believe in an infallible God/Goddess. if that's the case, why did He/Her bother creating us? He/Her already knows what we do?

I can imagine a conversation between atheists Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins ~ and the apostle Peter. The atheists would attack Christianity ‘by’ attacking the Bible. They’d start out with their blistering critique of the New Testament and its “contradictions” and “it was written by anonymous authors decades after the described events.”
And they’d point out all of the atrocities carried out in the name of religion throughout history, and mainly and especially Christian atrocities.

But ~ the foundation of Christianity is not a combination of 27 different historical manuscripts that were later bound together with the Hebrew Scriptures into a single volume well over 300 years after the described historical events contained in the New Testament.

Let’s hear how the apostle Peter might respond ~ Men, I’m certainly familiar with the history of my people the ancient Israelites, and I’ve never questioned it because of how I was raised. But men, none of that ~ nothing you’ve said has anything to do with ‘my’ decision to follow Jesus. You men reference the inadequacy of my reasoning, so let me explain ‘my’ reasoning ~ I only have one reason. When Jesus was arrested, I ran ~ and when asked if I knew Him, I lied. And when the Romans crucified Him, he died. And at that time, I was like you men ~ I had no faith.

I didn’t know what to believe. I had no reason to believe, because I didn’t know what to believe. I’d just spent 3 years of my life following a false prophet, and now I had a price on my head. And then Jesus came, and there He was ~ very much alive. Men, arguing with anything you’ve said is irrelevant because…and let me clarify one thing…‘my’ reason for believing isn’t something that I’ve heard or read or had read to me.

I believe what I believe because of what I saw...I watched Jesus die, I know exactly where He was buried, but God raised Him ~ and I saw Him, and I saw Him more than once. That’s the reason...that’s the only reason...for ‘my’ hope.

Trying…and failing…to discredit the faith of Christianity ‘by’ attacking and discrediting the Bible is not an original or unique tactic. Those early first century Christians did NOT base their faith on any manuscript. They had their lives changed...and based their faith on...an event. One that they saw, one that they witnessed with their own eyes. The Resurrection of Jesus created and launched Christianity. So the failed tactic of trying to discredit the faith of Christianity ‘by’ attacking and discrediting a book that didn’t even exist at the time that Christianity first began is more than a little bit weak.

A general comment about “models.”

The construct of models to help us better understand how things work are very valuable…. We have naturalistic models…..societal models…..economic models and of models for astronomy.

But, models are not fixed, immutable concepts.

As we gain more knowledge….new information, a model is subject to change….as it should. Such as the “dark matter” descriptions.

In the link below is an example of a an astronomic model undergoing change…

https://www.astronomy.com/science/is-the-big-bang-in-crisis/


Oddly how astronomers Big Bang theory is changing, even though the moniker “Big Bang” remains.

Also note the emergence of the “everywhere, all at once” concept being discussed….interesting stuff.


HOWEVER….. there is a great danger in developing models…. A “model” is only a model. It may not be totally accurate….the danger comes when we begin to …..believe…. That the model is a totally accurate representation of the true action, circumstance or interpretation of some set of facts or events.

The model may be accurate for what we can see today, bit as new information/facts are presented, the model must change.

So…don’t get to carried away…or… “married up” with some way of thinking or model that you have grown comfortable with…..

It’s going to change….

Why does it have to be a "somebody"?

Trying…and failing…to discredit the faith of Christianity ‘by’ attacking and discrediting the Bible is not an original or unique tactic. Those early first century Christians did NOT base their faith on any manuscript. They had their lives changed...and based their faith on...an event. One that they saw, one that they witnessed with their own eyes. The Resurrection of Jesus created and launched Christianity. So the failed tactic of trying to discredit the faith of Christianity ‘by’ attacking and discrediting a book that didn’t even exist at the time that Christianity first began is more than a little bit weak.

There are not many cases in all of written ancient history where we have multiple separate and independent written accounts of the same event, or series of events. We have virtually no multiple separate and independent written accounts of the same events in all of written ancient history. The life of Jesus stands out all by itself in that regard. The events of His life were extremely important to His 1st century followers. “Many” people attempted to write down an orderly account of the life of Jesus, not just a few, but “many”.

The fact that we have 4 ancient separate and independent manuscripts that document the life of Jesus is unique. We don’t have references to these documents, we have actual copies of these documents. In nearly all of written ancient history, we only have references to documents that we no longer have. With nearly all of written ancient history there are no actual copies, it’s just authors who reference documents who reference documents, and the documents…and actual copies of those documents…are no longer with us because they just disintegrated over time.

And yet we have 4 different separate and independent accounts of the life of Jesus, and the reason we have those historical accounts are not because of what He taught, and not because that He was arrested, and not because He was crucified ~ the reason all of these people documented the life of Jesus is because He rose from the dead. And these historical accounts were considered valuable and reliable and sacred and inspired. They were considered scripture by the early ekklesia of Jesus.

So let me get this straight, the universe…and everything in it, including intelligent life…can come from nothing, but a divine awareness could not…?

i think that we all should go to the Sumerian religion. Sumerian is the first written language so you have to believe that religion is true because it was already written.




if you believe in your Christian God, that's great. you do you. Shinto, Native American, Hinduism...doesn't matter. if you are an atheist, i don't mind. you do you is my motto when it comes to religion.

If you knew that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…?

No I wouldn't. The god described in the bible is a total cunt.

Still wouldn't follow and worship your god if the biblical accounts are true and accurate - they make your god out to be a total cunt.

In the Genesis story of the Noah it is very clear where the water came from and it fits nicely with the first paragraphs of the story of creation. The mountains were not flattened in the bible as you proposed earlier. "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered" Yep, the mountains were still there and they were all covered.

Your position clearly has zero to do with truth and logic and reason and ‘lack of evidence’, or science ~ despite your many assertions (recent and past) to the contrary. Your position is clearly a matter of the heart. Period. You have clearly pointed out what has been known by many here all along.

Regarding the biased deniers oft repeated claim of “contradictions” in the Gospels:

After the Titanic sank there were several different headlines from newspapers regarding how many people died. They all had different numbers and there were “contradictions.” And even eyewitnesses disagreed about the Titanic sank. Some eyewitnesses said it went down whole and other eyewitnesses said it broke in two and went down, and there were “contradictions.”

Does that mean the Titanic didn’t sink…? Nope. What they all do agree on is this ~ they all agree on the ‘major event’ that the Titanic sank. Maybe some eyewitnesses had a different view than other eyewitnesses. This is exactly what you get with eyewitness testimony. You get people agreeing on the ‘major event.’

There ‘was’ a Resurrection. You get em’ disagreeing, or at least giving different accounts, about maybe who got to the tomb first or who was there, but none of that stuff changes the central and major event that they’re writing about. And that is the Resurrection.

When people point out what ‘they’ consider to be “contradictions” in the Bible, so what…? What does that prove…? It certainly doesn’t prove that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead…! And it certainly doesn’t mean the New Testament documents aren’t reliable either.

The writers may have different nuances or different ways or reporting, but if you find what you consider to be a “contradiction” in the story, it certainly and clearly doesn’t mean that the central or main event didn’t happen. The Bible doesn’t need to be without “contradictions” for Christianity to be true.

“Contradictions” do not negate the bigger point that Jesus rose from the dead for our sins and by trusting in Him you can have forgiveness.

My position is always about facts and truth. You're in love with Jesus even though the story is devoid of facts makes no sense at all, and god is portrayed so badly. Yet you still strive to be one of god's bitches. So sad that you want to forgo morality for a life, and pretend beyond, in a fairytale.