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For those who are open minded enough to explore, and would be willing to turn in this direction and see for themselves: In Mark’s gospel we read about Peter’s experiences with Jesus that led Peter to believe that God came to us, and invited everyone to participate in what He was doing in the here and now.
It’s the story of Jesus as told by Peter, and it’s dictated to and edited by Mark, Peter’s traveling companion. For over 30 years Peter traveled around and told his story over and over and over. And now he’s in his 50’s and he’s been arrested and imprisoned in Nero’s Rome, and he might not know it yet, but he’s not leaving that city alive. And Mark, a Greek Christian who has traveled with him and heard him tell these stories a great many times, wants to document Jesus’ story for history.
And what Peter tells Mark comes to us as the gospel of a Mark. This first century historical document would eventually be collected, along with some of the apostle Paul’s historical letters, and historical gospel accounts and letters written by other’s, and then put together with the Hebrew Scriptures to ultimately become ‘the Bible.’
Mark wasn’t writing the Bible. He was simply historically documenting Peter’s experiences with Jesus. He’s sitting with a man he’s traveled with who’d spent years with Jesus, and 30 years after the crucifixion and resurrection, Peter continued to believe that Jesus was good news. And Mark takes this historical account of Jesus’ life and leaves Rome with it and goes to Alexandria (Egypt) and copies are made and they begin to distribute this account of the life of Jesus from the lips of Peter, who was an eyewitness.
And again, it was collected with some of Paul’s letters and other’s gospels and letters, and then almost 300 years later in the fourth century it was all combined with the Jewish scriptures into what we now know as ‘the Bible.’ Pity the stories aren't true though, you know - no witness accounts, anonymous writers, unfounded extraordinary stories, compiled decades after the claimed events that no-one had otherwise heard about,. Looks like bullshit, sounds like bullshit....it's probably bullshit. So said the mushroom who has never ventured out of the dark cave. So says the Christian who happily remains in the dark and loves feeding off the bullshit.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV
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Jesus made it crystal clear that He was the Messiah ‘and’ the Son of God.
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The good news for you is that God, out of love for you, will continue to pursue you. He will and is showing you the truth about Himself.
You, and other frequent posters are here for a reason…..the subject of God and Jesus seems to be of intense interest and that is good.
Remember the two thieves on the cross……at the beginning, both thieves were cursing Jesus….. at the end, each thief died and both experienced truth.
Two thieves, two different life journeys and two different destinations. The given explanations were bogus, yet you proclaim your belief through bluff and bluster like an old testament prophet. What is written in the bible is not evidence for the truth of its stories, God, Satan or any supernatural event .
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV As written by an anonymous author decades after whatever really happened. Paul, a near contemporary did not appear to be aware of some the events attributed to Jesus in the later gospels.
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Clear denial of the evidence is certainly not absence of evidence. The fact that one clearly denies the evidence is certainly not proof that the evidence doesn’t exist. There is nothing to link the evidence with the claim, so can't be considerred evidence of that claim. Even Raspy knows this, it's been explained to him/her dozens of times.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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When Jesus died, hope died with Him. No one was planning to keep His new movement going, because it now seemed that Jesus wasn’t who He’d claimed to be. Immediately following His crucifixion, there were no Christians, because there was no Christ.
But then something happened. Something extraordinary, and it rekindled the hope of His followers. It can still rekindle the hope of those who choose to follow Him.
Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV As written by an anonymous author decades after whatever really happened. Paul, a near contemporary did not appear to be aware of some the events attributed to Jesus in the later gospels. Both you and Mman are just whistling in the dark….. my take is that both of you know truth and are somehow trying to comfort yourselves with “bluff and “bluster.” You can do nothing else but shout your ignorance from the proverbial mountain top. Shouting your ignorance does not change the truth…..
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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Mister Antlers, You have missed your calling. you should be a preacher.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV As written by an anonymous author decades after whatever really happened. Paul, a near contemporary did not appear to be aware of some the events attributed to Jesus in the later gospels. Both you and Mman are just whistling in the dark….. my take is that both of you know truth and are somehow trying to comfort yourselves with “bluff and “bluster.” You can do nothing else but shout your ignorance from the proverbial mountain top. Shouting your ignorance does not change the truth….. You ought to go over to the Australia forum. DBT and mauser9mm resort to name calling and unfounded accusations in defending their ill founded belief in the efficacy of vaccines and Corona virus pronouncements and study results by government sanctioned medical entities. Any evidence of government complicity and coverup is derided by those two and any anecdotal evidence of efficacy of the drug Ivermectin or Hydroxy no mater how strong is dismissed. If they want to believe something without evidence they believe it. If they wish to disbelieve something no matter the strength of the circumstantial evidence they denigrate the evidence and start calling names as a defense. If you cross them, get ready, you will be called a homo or worse. They, just like some "Christians" only believe what fits their preconceived position and reject clear contrary evidence.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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…just like some "Christians" only believe what fits their preconceived position and reject clear contrary evidence. It appears that you are clearly describing yourself as much…if not more so…than you are describing ‘anybody’ else.
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When Jesus died, hope died with Him. No one was planning to keep His new movement going, because it now seemed that Jesus wasn’t who He’d claimed to be. Immediately following His crucifixion, there were no Christians, because there was no Christ.
But then something happened. Something extraordinary, and it rekindled the hope of His followers. It can still rekindle the hope of those who choose to follow Him. What .. You may not see Him in Person But He and Hope be there Just the Same .. Heyyyyyy Hey
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…just like some "Christians" only believe what fits their preconceived position and reject clear contrary evidence. It appears that you are clearly describing yourself as much…if not more so…than you are describing ‘anybody’ else. ''Judge not that ye be not judged''. I may be wrong on some things for sure. You might also. I try to go with what Jesus clearly says when it is clearly cogent with his overall teaching. I don't much go for those writings that extrapolate, sometimes to the extreme.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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…just like some "Christians" only believe what fits their preconceived position and reject clear contrary evidence. It appears that you are clearly describing yourself as much…if not more so…than you are describing ‘anybody’ else. ''Judge not that ye be not judged''. So you’re not judging when you make comments like the one above that you made about “Christians…? I try to go with what Jesus clearly says when it is clearly cogent with his overall teaching. Unless what He clearly says clearly debunks your preconceived position, in which case you clearly don’t mind stomping all over what He says and teaches.
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When Jesus died, hope died with Him. No one was planning to keep His new movement going, because it now seemed that Jesus wasn’t who He’d claimed to be. Immediately following His crucifixion, there were no Christians, because there was no Christ.
But then something happened. Something extraordinary, and it rekindled the hope of His followers. It can still rekindle the hope of those who choose to follow Him. Who was Hope? Mary's hot sister? At least she wasn't knocked up and dragging a baby daddy around Jerusalem, who allegedly never went down town. My god (pun intended) you'll find more truth in the Enquirer than in the KJB
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV As written by an anonymous author decades after whatever really happened. Paul, a near contemporary did not appear to be aware of some the events attributed to Jesus in the later gospels. Both you and Mman are just whistling in the dark….. my take is that both of you know truth and are somehow trying to comfort yourselves with “bluff and “bluster.” You can do nothing else but shout your ignorance from the proverbial mountain top. Shouting your ignorance does not change the truth….. You ought to go over to the Australia forum. Hastings and fellow Karens flounder in defending their ill founded belief in the efficacy of the Horse Butt Paste pronouncements and study results by government sanctioned medical entities. Any evidence of government complicity and coverup is not provided by those Karens and any anecdotal evidence of efficacy of the drug Ivermectin or Hydroxy against covid no mater how strong is massively fabricated. If they want to believe something without evidence they believe it. If you persist on calling them out on this they experience significant butt hurt and let the world know. They, just like "Christians" only believe what fits their preconceived position and reject clear contrary evidence.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV As written by an anonymous author decades after whatever really happened. Paul, a near contemporary did not appear to be aware of some the events attributed to Jesus in the later gospels. Both you and Mman are just whistling in the dark….. my take is that both of you know truth and are somehow trying to comfort yourselves with “bluff and “bluster.” You can do nothing else but shout your ignorance from the proverbial mountain top. Shouting your ignorance does not change the truth….. You are scraping the bottom of your empty barrel now, TF49. Try to do better
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Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One…?”
“I am,” said Jesus. - Mark 14:61-62 NIV As written by an anonymous author decades after whatever really happened. Paul, a near contemporary did not appear to be aware of some the events attributed to Jesus in the later gospels. Both you and Mman are just whistling in the dark….. my take is that both of you know truth and are somehow trying to comfort yourselves with “bluff and “bluster.” You can do nothing else but shout your ignorance from the proverbial mountain top. Shouting your ignorance does not change the truth….. You ought to go over to the Australia forum. DBT and mauser9mm resort to name calling and unfounded accusations in defending their ill founded belief in the efficacy of vaccines and Corona virus pronouncements and study results by government sanctioned medical entities. Any evidence of government complicity and coverup is derided by those two and any anecdotal evidence of efficacy of the drug Ivermectin or Hydroxy no mater how strong is dismissed. If they want to believe something without evidence they believe it. If they wish to disbelieve something no matter the strength of the circumstantial evidence they denigrate the evidence and start calling names as a defense. If you cross them, get ready, you will be called a homo or worse. They, just like some "Christians" only believe what fits their preconceived position and reject clear contrary evidence. Are you that blind that you only see one side of things, the side you prefer. Don't play the tragic victim card, you guys came in with all guns blazing and you got what you gave. Don't play dumb. But then again, maybe you aren't playing.
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Jesus made it crystal clear that He was the Messiah ‘and’ the Son of God. It wasn't Jesus who wrote the words.
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…I try to go with what Jesus clearly says when it is clearly cogent with his overall teaching. Unless what He clearly says clearly debunks your preconceived position, in which case you clearly don’t mind stomping all over what He says and teaches. For instance?
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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