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I’m not very familiar with either the 350 Legend or the 360 BHM. What are the dimensional differences between the 2 cases?

It seems the max CL for the Legend is 55K psi and for the BHM it’s 50K psi - is that correct or do I have it backwards? Is that because the BHM is fully blown out 30-30 case vs a more heavily built Legend case?

May have a chance to hunt WD in IL in 2024 so considering using a TC Contender bbl with one of these straight cases. Stupidly written regs from IL DNR but at least they now allow single shot rifles/pistols to get a shot at some of those bucks that never get inside 200 yds.

Hopefully the combo of marginal cartridges and single shot guns doesn’t equal high wounded deer rates.

Hardly marginal. Those ballistics have been doing good work on whitetails and black bears for over 100 years.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/350-Legend-Public-Introduction-Rev-2021-06-04.pdf


https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Public-Introduction-360-Buckhammer-2023-01-30.pdf

Wildcatter264,
For best results hunting deer in IL you should use an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine, collapsible stock, flash hider, and a bayonet installed. Just in case I recommend you carry a semiautomatic pistol with a 17rd magazine and a threaded barrel everywhere you go.

Wow 😂

Interesting idea. Not interested in sarcastic drivel just an answer on the dimensional differences between the 2 cases.

As you may know after a 50+ year long “temporary pause” in deer hunting in IL to “allow the herd to recover” the only firearms allowed for WD hunting were shotguns then muzzleloaders. The regulation for single shot pistols and rifles were not written by the DNR but by a Dem state representative “who hunted years ago and wrote the specs with the help of a constituent and friend.”

As a result except the 300 BO and Whisper - grandfathered in - almost all bottleneck cases are prohibited. Although - per the regs - I could use my Ruger African 458 WM with the follower and mag spring removed - no problem I only need 1 shot - or my Ruger #1 500 NE 3”. But can’t use a 257R or a 270 or a 30 Herret. I call that stupid.

In the spirit of the regulations I decided to use either a Ruger #3 45-70 or a TC Contender in one of the cartridges I asked about. Not being familiar with either of the latter 2 I asked expecting a civil answer rather than stupidity.

I’ll look for an answer somewhere else instead. BTW I’ve spent more than enough time hunting in IL to know what the average ‘resident hunter’ there is capable of with a 12 gauge slug gun - the reason for my concern about the new regulations.

Dinny, from seeing your prior posts I had mistakenly concluded that you were a reasonable guy with some firearm knowledge to contribute to the Fire. Guess you just proved me wrong, in one post, on all counts. Even your suggestion for an EDC reflects Glock movie manure.

Hold on there, BobbaLouie, it was that drivel at the end of your post that set people off. On the face of it you impugned the efficiency of the cartridges under discussion, Legend and BH, and single shot rifles in general. Reading into it perhaps, maybe, you mis-spoke and meant the possibility of much lesser but still legal cartridges equals high wounded deer rates. Which was it?

It’s Baba Looey, BTW. Someone as old as you are oughta know that.🧐

(Actually, I have to look it up every time I use it)

In this situation I believe Quick Draw would be a better fit. Baba Looey was the wiser of the two and would try to talk sense into Quick Draw.

"Queeks Draw, let's try to stay out of trouble thees time."

"Hold on Baba Looey, I'll do the thinnin' 'round here."

No matter the cartoon reference, or choice between these two cartridges, both have proven their worth in the deer woods. It simply remains up to the individual to pick one along with the platform it's offered in and go forth and kill stuff.

I'm finding myself hunting less and less, and paper punching more and more, so that's how I mainly view cartridges and their vehicles these days. To me the BH holds an edge in that regard, being that it's more easily adaptable to a single shot platform such as a Stevens 44 1/2, Martini, or vintage High Wall.

i had Jes Rebore do a 35 Whelen for me using a Ruger #1 looks great and shoots great too.

For the purposes you've outlined it would be a no brainer for me; 360BH. A bit more of a cartridge and the rimmed would likely work great in a Contender. That said and after reading some of your other posts, I'd use one of the monsters you have that are legal.

400 legend looks interesting. 350 and 360 buckhammer not so much. Ton of ammo for all 3 on the local shelves though. I looked for 35 Remington and none to be found. Oh well off to the loading bench

Thanks, gents. I may have over reacted a bit but I don’t like the 1-shot restriction for most hunters, given the circumstances for those who may need follow ups.

A lot of farms in IL are small enough that a wounded deer might make it over the boundary before hunters inexperienced with single shot rifles might get off a second round, if they had a lever or bolt action with intact magazines.

I’m not an advocate of anything but 1-shot kills but stuff happens.

The purpose of my post was to seek help in figuring out which 2nd rifle to choose. I’ll get a chance to hunt IL with my BIL again - a very experienced bow hunter with multiple P&Y bucks on his wall - after a several year break, because life happens. He’s an excellent archer but not experienced with rifles.

After all the hoopla is settled, I’ll plan to configure one of my TC Contenders as a rifle with an EABCO 350 Legend rifle barrel which arrives in a couple of days and load up ammo with Hornady 170 grain SPs which my BIL will practice with when he visits me and use for the hunt.

I plan to use a Ruger #3 45-70 200th year carbine my brother left me. Both rifles are his legacy, which he never got to use on deer, but now it’ll happen, unfortunately belatedly, but he’d approve and smile a nod.

Thanks for the help to those who provided it and apologies for the flap. It touched a nerve.

My father lives in south Michigan's pistol caliber zone. He's 69 and in no shape to chase deer. He shoots a CVA .450 Bushmaster with factory ammo and the deer he shoots don't run very far.

Look at the deer I shot this year. Talk about small farms, he was shot in a 7 acre wood lot. He ran less than 70yds even with a fatal shot with a 320gr bullet. He was shot with a true single shot rifle - a 50cal muzzleloader.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/19041855/christmas-eve-buck

Very nice buck. Hope to see some like that in IL in the Fall.

Just got an email from Henry announcing the .360 BH SS. Only change appears to be the new chambering. I did notice that the estimated weight was 6.69# as opposed to 7.18# for the .357, with the same 22” barrel so the contour must be a bit lighter.

It is on there web site!

I see the rate of twist on the BH is 1:12” vs 1:16” for the .357 Mag and the .350 Legend.

IIRC, the latest Hodgdon book has SS loads with 250gr Hornady Sub-X bullets. That twist should make the .360 pretty versatile.

Yessir, I did as well
Sounds interesting to have one available ready to go.