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Alders like this? ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/a3W7qZ8.jpg)
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Alders like this? BTW wearin camo, cause Helly Hanson didn't come in designer colors lol.
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Looks like you are rolling in some "Frog-Togs"
Nice bear.
A bear like that will put a smile on your face.
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Thanks! First and only shot at 13 yards, took him 5 minutes to quit roarin went in after him, exciting, glad he was dead when I found him.
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Hey Colorado, did you shoot that bear with the 7mm RM you just bought? What bullet did you use?
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I volunteer to shoot a brown bear in heavy cover with a 7 RM loaded with 175 NP semi spitzers if someone will sponsor/finance my trip.
I will continue to do so until I get eaten by a bear. I just happen to know a guide LOL I'll bet you do!  I hear Tia's a good one!
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It is a a matter of perspective and shot placement. One of my greatest mentors was an old Sourdough who was born in Gold Rush days named Al Taylor. He shot a lot of brown bears and Grizzlies in his sixty years in the brush. He generally used a Winchester 1894 carbine in 30wcf which he would get about 30ft facing the bear and shoot them perfectly under the chin. We traded him a Savage 340 in 7 REM with a 4x scope. He used it at 25yards to kill a good 9ft bear who was attempting to kill his daughter’s dogs. He told us, “Boys that magnum rifle hit that bear hard enough in the boiler room to knock part of its lungs out!” He was a fan of the 7 REM mag for the rest of his life.
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Awesome, lots of B&C record elk were killed with 30-30s
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As a guide for both and knowing more than a few others... Barnes bullets matter.
That said use what you want but PLEASE if I never see another ELD or Berger I'd be happy. Partitions work, but not nearly as good at penetration. 308 with ttsx has killed quicker with similar shots than 338 with partitions. Partitions never made it to the ribs on the other side.
Yup I'm biased. And there are cases of people not making old X bullets shoot but if you can't get a tsx or ttsx to shoot something else is really wrong IMHO. Dont have a gun other than the 458 thats not sub moa at 100 with barnes with very little work. Have a Buddys 338 win mag that puts 3 in the same large hole at 100 rather often... those that say barnes don't shoot... all wet.
FWIW seeing more than a few moose and bears tip over every year is where I form opinions from. Not from what I personally like.
And if you are worrying about the cost of ammo, you have other issues. Again my opinion. Have you priced a bear or moose hunt lately? Even DIY.
I just got back from a hunt where I had to crawl on my hands and knees and put a few more rounds in a bear at close range in a thicket. First and only round in the bear was an ELD..... Great info. It's good to hear from people with experience. I had never read anything but glowing reviews for Partitions. I still think they are good bullets but I shot a buck broadside through the liver with one out of a 6.5 Creedmoor (140 grain at 25 yards) and it didn't exit. That really surprised me.
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I shoot 150g Partitions in my 270, 300g A-Frames in my 375 H&H / Weatherby, and 570g TSX's in my 500 Jeffery. All great bullets. Killed over a dozen elk with the 150g Partitions from 15 yards to 500 every animal died within 30 yards. Placement matters! I plan to shoot 175g A-Frame handloads in my new to me 7mm Rem Mag, hope to work up a safe accurate load that approaches 3000 fps.
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I've killed a couple moose and bears with nosler accubond. One shot kills on all of them.
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Also like the nosler partition, but the accubond has a better bc.
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If I ever picked up another 7mm RM for my use, I would have it throated so I could seat the 175s way out there. My goal would be at least 175/3000-3050 fps and 160s/3100-3200 fps. But my Original Texan heinie is way too timid to tackle a Brown Bear with less than a 375 Weatherby/270 Barnes or similar, lol.
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Jim, when I was a young man in the60's long throating was popular. A lot of guys throated them out for a 160 Nosler seated flush with the bottom of the neck. 700s they were able to easily get 3400 fps for 140s for lighter game. My current 7mag, is about 1200 rds old and the throat is starting to lenghten. Great round, right now my favorite long range deer rifle. MY definition of long range is different from the 1000 yard boys. It was also my late wife's favorite rifle. She took a pile of stuff with it.
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If I ever picked up another 7mm RM for my use, I would have it throated so I could seat the 175s way out there. My goal would be at least 175/3000-3050 fps and 160s/3100-3200 fps. But my Original Texan heinie is way too timid to tackle a Brown Bear with less than a 375 Weatherby/270 Barnes or similar, lol. That's my goal too, 175g A-Frame at 3000 fps. I usually seat my bullets to 1/8" back from hitting the lands. I only neck size (been doing that for decades) probably use a Lee Factory Crimp die as well. We'll see how fast my barrel is. For all of my loads (270 Win , 500 Jeffery) I get good case life (10 reloads then toss the cases) no signs of pressure. Any advice on powders would be appreciated.
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Re26 will get you over 3000 with a 175, H1000 close to 3000.
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With my 7mm Rem mag I found that partial sizing was the way to go. FL sizing many times left me with a possible case head separation. Seems headspacing on the belt often mess's up and the chamber becomes to long. To fix the problem I changed it over to headspacing on the shoulder. Neck size till the case will no longer chamber. Then move the die down a little at a time until the case will chamber without dragging as you close the bolt! Sizes the case to fit the chamber, even the sloppy chamber. I also had the throat reamed out on mine to be able to seat the base of the bullet no deeper than the base of the neck. Worked out great.
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Regards,
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What factory ammo would you recommend for moose, understanding you might run into a brown bear? In my 7mm mag I ran only 160gr Speer Hot Cores. If it was not to be them I'd take a look at some bonded bullet!
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I am well into my 5th decade of guiding in Alaska and any of the previously mentioned bullets, from 160 to 175 gr bullets will work perfectly.
So long as the shooter can Listen to Phil.
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