What the hell are you guys doing that takes 25 mini shells to kill? If it takes that many rounds, you must work in an urban police department. Fact - If you don’t hit it in the first shot or two, you aren’t going to with 23 more.
All this is just as Jim said, a slick marketing campaign, and you fell for it!
By that argument, all we really need is a flintlock rifle. What do you need two rounds for?? In fact, what do you need rifling for? A smooth bore is more than accurate enough for 95% of hunting.
...does anybody use the 12ga 3 1/2" buckshot ammo?
Yes that's my coyote hunting load. In my SBE2 I can still get 5-7 pellets on a paper plate at 55-60 yards.
And the best part is even in the worst of the ammo shortages, it was always in stock! I wonder why?
Originally Posted by scottryan
Ignorance of the law is no excuse....
So you're agreeing with me. How often do I expect home gun inspections? Any time a gun is used and the police get involved. I have a friend who felt the same way you seem to, so he had magazines and rifles he shouldn't have for where he was living at the time. One little innocuous non event ended up leading to him doing almost 5 years in jail, losing his job, his home and his ability to ever own a firearms again.
You're just one fender bender or traffic stop away from ruining your life.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
I had a 590S for a bit, and the factory part that lets it accept those shorties seem very similar to the better aftermarket ones. Appears to me it might fall or wear out in time too. Not sure how that might affect function with standards. I futzed with it a bit, installed a rail and metal safety, shot a few rounds of clays, and bought a turkey choke and one or two others. Ultimately, I decided it was too heavy for a sporting piece, and that a more conventional short-barreled gun was a better fit for me. Never bought any short shells as they’re too expensive for what they are and the selection of standard 2 3/4” is almost limitless. Anyway, it’s gone to a new home, and I have a vintage Ithaca 37 Super Deluxe Deerslayer in its place.
I think the 500-590-88 guns are solid guns, just not very appealing.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
Why would you use a mini shell for self defense?
Tain't much different than a 2 3/4".
1" difference = less recoil and better performance at close range is what I heard.
Less recoil is a given with light loads, but there are plenty of those in 2 3/4”, at better prices. IIRC Paul Harrell tested some minis and they weren’t very impressive as I recall.
Less recoil is a given with light loads, but there are plenty of those in 2 3/4”, at better prices. IIRC Paul Harrell tested some minis and they weren’t very impressive as I recall.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
Thats why there is an AR in every vehicle and every building.
And mossberg is there too, why I have not clue, I'd rather have an extend 870. The 590 is so not smooth its unbelievable how clunky.. is what it is. But its there anyway but would always grab the AR unless the pigs are out... then that first round of buck usually takes out 2-4 pigs on the first shot.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
What the hell are you guys doing that takes 25 mini shells to kill? If it takes that many rounds, you must work in an urban police department. Fact - If you don’t hit it in the first shot or two, you aren’t going to with 23 more.
All this is just as Jim said, a slick marketing campaign, and you fell for it!
By that argument, all we really need is a flintlock rifle. What do you need two rounds for?? In fact, what do you need rifling for? A smooth bore is more than accurate enough for 95% of hunting.
Nothing like not paying attention to how current attacks go. Its more like a sounder of pigs than a single pig to deal with these days. I used to never carry a spare mag for the 1911. Then carried mags. Then went to a Glock where with 2 mags and the gun I have almost 50 rounds give or take.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
I’ve got a few old single-shot 12 ga’s that are no fun to shoot with regular shells. They’re not bad with the mini shells.
Not convinced, at this point, that they’re a “reliable” alternative in pumps for self-defense/etc. However, for making a single-shot or double-barrel into a comfortable “snake gun”, I like ‘em alright.
I’ve got a few old single-shot 12 ga’s that are no fun to shoot with regular shells. They’re not bad with the mini shells.
Not convinced, at this point, that they’re a “reliable” alternative in pumps for self-defense/etc. However, for making a single-shot or double-barrel into a comfortable “snake gun”, I like ‘em alright.
I've watched quite a few reviewers of the 590S put it through its paces, and none of them have been able to make it jam with the mini-shells. If there was a hint of such an issue, I assure you that I would have hard passed on it.
I’ve got a few old single-shot 12 ga’s that are no fun to shoot with regular shells. They’re not bad with the mini shells.
Not convinced, at this point, that they’re a “reliable” alternative in pumps for self-defense/etc. However, for making a single-shot or double-barrel into a comfortable “snake gun”, I like ‘em alright.
I've watched quite a few reviewers of the 590S put it through its paces, and none of them have been able to make it jam with the mini-shells. If there was a hint of such an issue, I assure you that I would have hard passed on it.
Good to hear that they’ve got it figured out. Not enough “utility” to me, to go spend $500 on another pump shotgun, but hope you enjoy it!
Got it today. Whoever here said that the part that made it compatible with shorty shells was rubber was right. It's a rubber bumper. Soft rubber, too. I can definitely see that wearing out pretty fast. Not happy. It seems solidly in place, unlike that adapter that's available that's just stuffed into the receiver, but it doesn't seem like a particularly durable piece. I could be wrong about that, though. Folks thought Glocks would wear out fast, too, when they first came out.