A Federal court ruled that the Emergency Act should not have been enacted during the Truckers Protest in Ottawa. The reason given was that the protest failed to meet the threshold of a national emergency. Deputy PM Freeland said that the ruling would be appealed.
So what’s the penalty for this? Nada, bupkis, zip, nuttin’, just like here. He won’t even have to apologize, and the Lib voters will still love him and keep him in office.
It will play out with the usual political games and spin. However, it stands out that the PM erred in his judgement and that a cast of fools followed him into the history books. I hope everyone of those MPs that voted to enact this will be remembered for their incompetence and lack of fortitude. Not one of them stood up and questioned Trudeau’s motives. Shame on all of them.
Nick; Morning sir, I trust you all are getting at least a wee bit of a break from the cold out east and that you're all well.
Thanks for the thread as it caused me to do some digging since my semi-full, semi-ancient hard drive/memory wasn't clear on who voted for what that fateful day.
Here's what a search showed up for the question - "Did any conservatives vote for the Emergency Act?"
Though interrupted by police operations against the protesters on February 18, debate otherwise proceeded as planned and the House of Commons voted to confirm use of the act 185 to 151, with the Liberals and New Democratic Party (NDP) in support, and the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois voting against the motion.
Somehow I'd forgotten that Yves-Francois Blanchet and company had voted with the Conservatives this time.
Honestly seeing their vote on other important issues to me - pipelines and firearms - I'm now conflicted, but that's my issue.
Again and I'm sorry to sound like the proverbial broken record here, but NDP leader Jimmy Dhaliwal and company, including the senior citizen who represents me here and has announced he won't run again - Richard/Dick Cannings - supported PM Shiny Pony down the line entirely, so any out there who are still voting NDP please take note.
As you say, "shame on them", that is the MPs who voted to suspend freedoms in so many aspects of our lives when even at the time it was obviously unnecessary.
Hopefully enough of us will see the light and recognize it for what it was, which is in my view a trial run for those in power to suspend our individual freedoms for as long as they see fit.
It's in our best interest for them to do so after all and even if we don't see that they know what's best, eventually we'll see them for the true heroes that they are.
I'm reminded of when over 10,000 firearm owners showed up on Parliament Hill to protest one of the bills being pushed through by another Lib government. When a reporter asked Allan Rock who was Minister of Injustice at the time what his thoughts were, seeing as 10,000 showed up there, his reply was more or less, "We don't count heads. We know what's best for Canadians".
Honestly Nick there's going to be some of us whose minds will not allow them to see the truth.
The road ahead for us in the west and in Canada particularly is not an easy one.
Nonetheless, I'm not about to give up as long as I've got a pulse, so we'll continue to contend with them, right?
It will play out with the usual political games and spin. However, it stands out that the PM erred in his judgement and that a cast of fools followed him into the history books. I hope everyone of those MPs that voted to enact this will be remembered for their incompetence and lack of fortitude. Not one of them stood up and questioned Trudeau’s motives. Shame on all of them.
I won’t complain about our bearable temperatures we have had this winter here out east, seeing as what you have had to endure thus far in the west. I’m concerned for tomorrow as they are now calling for freezing rain overnight and 10 to 15mm of rain Thursday. Not good.
There is a recent Angus Reid poll out stating that the majority of people that will vote Liberal in the next election are doing so to prevent a Conservative victory. They simply want to stop Pollievre from winning and have no support or any knowledge of the Liberal platform. This is the stupidity that we are up against. Voting to prevent while not knowing what those consequences will be. I am somewhat interested in the political situation but not nearly as invested in it as many here but I can tell you what the consequences of this ill-fated strategy will be: loss of freedom, censorship, loss of property, continued government corruption, loss of international respect, and a further erosion of our standard of living.
What is equally disturbing is NDP voters will mimic this strategy as well. We aren’t out of the woods yet with this coalition of the unholy.
Anyways, we must take comfort in this court decision and keep moving forward to an eventual return to sanity in this country.
This is exactly the problem - too many people not paying attention to the issues, but rather simply parroting the media line - in this case "Apple Man Bad".
There is a recent Angus Reid poll out stating that the majority of people that will vote Liberal in the next election are doing so to prevent a Conservative victory. They simply want to stop Pollievre from winning and have no support or any knowledge of the Liberal platform. This is the stupidity that we are up against. Voting to prevent while not knowing what those consequences will be. I am somewhat interested in the political situation but not nearly as invested in it as many here but I can tell you what the consequences of this ill-fated strategy will be: loss of freedom, censorship, loss of property, continued government corruption, loss of international respect, and a further erosion of our standard of living.
Nick
Sounds, remarkably like our neighbours, to the south !
What is wrong with people !
Paul.
"Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"
This is exactly the problem - too many people not paying attention to the issues, but rather simply parroting the media line - in this case "Apple Man Bad".
(See what I did there?)
TRUTH, though Marty !
Paul.
"Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"
A comparision on Freeland and Liberals over the us of the emergency act and some of their other decisions (Omar Kadar being one). Pretty damming when taken as a whole in terms of being soft on terror and select groups.
Just a heads up, Parliament resumes today, I'm guessing it is going to be a shyte storm in the house today. Pretty sure the smell of blood will bring questions about the EA and the latest vacation the Turd took which cost a minimum 84,000 LOL
CPAC....Question period......I will PVR it because I like watching the Turd get run right out of the house.
A comparision on Freeland and Liberals over the us of the emergency act and some of their other decisions (Omar Kadar being one). Pretty damming when taken as a whole in terms of being soft on terror and select groups.
Freeland is a George Soros accolyte.She worships at his feet. Her grandfather was a NAZI in the Ukraine in WWII. He published a NAZI paper.
I tried to locate Freeland's interview of Soros, but every link I clicked on, it said the content wasn't available. Is this the Federal government limiting what we can see?
Just a heads up, Parliament resumes today, I'm guessing it is going to be a shyte storm in the house today. Pretty sure the smell of blood will bring questions about the EA and the latest vacation the Turd took which cost a minimum 84,000 LOL
CPAC....Question period......I will PVR it because I like watching the Turd get run right out of the house.
Turdo only works 4 days a week. He may take a mental health day or whatever.
National Post article with more background on who gave advice on initiating the EM --- used economic, reputational and security threats as justification --- all tossed out.
Interesting statement on use of the act to deliberately increase anti-government views ---- so in essence deliberate provocation to be used for further justification
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SOMETIMES IT’S BETTER NOT TO HAVE THE LAST WORD
They say journalism is the first draft of history, but this is surely doubly true of CTV’s Question Period, which remains a flagship among Sunday current-affairs shows. This weekend, Jody Thomas appeared on the show on her very last day as the federal national security and intelligence advisor (NSIA). Thomas had received a metaphorical black eye on Tuesday when a Federal Court judge ruled that Ottawa’s 2022 invocation of the Emergencies Act to battle Freedom Convoy protesters had been unlawful and unconstitutional.
Justice Richard Mosley’s decision singles out Thomas for particular scrutiny, noting that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet received conflicting advice about the legality of the Emergencies Act’s use and that Thomas was more hawkish than the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) or the Privy Council Office (PCO). (The clerk of the PCO did sign a memorandum supporting the invocation of the act, but also warned that the decision would be “vulnerable to challenge” — a challenge that has now been successful, perhaps tentatively.)
Mosley writes that minutes from a key cabinet meeting show that the national security intelligence advisor was concerned about blockades of Canadian border crossings and was troubled by “the active role of social media in promoting the protests.” Remarkably, she added that the use of emergency legislation itself would be likely to “galvanize broader anti-government narratives” and “could increase the number of Canadians holding extreme anti-government views.” (Mission accomplished?) Mosley confesses himself puzzled: were the bad political consequences of suspending the rule of Parliament supposed to be part of the reason for doing so?
Thomas, faced with the accusation that she supported an outrage against the constitution on dubious and even nonsensical grounds, was perhaps naturally eager to go on television and retort. You can watch her interview with CTV’s Vassy Kapelos and ask yourself how she did. To me, the valedictory appearance suggests that Thomas may not even have read Mosley’s ruling.
She certainly hasn’t absorbed its core logic. The use of the Emergencies Act requires a “threat to the security of Canada”; the Emergencies Act explicitly defines this by referring to the CSIS Act; the CSIS Act requires a reasonable prospect of “the threat or use of acts of serious violence” for political purposes. A cabinet’s self-grant of exceptional emergency powers requires some kind of clear danger to the state itself, as it ought. So was there ever any such danger?
Thomas, in recollecting her role in the Emergencies Act decision, tells Kapelos right out of the gate that “the huge, huge occupation in Ottawa” “was increasingly violent,” something not terribly apparent then or now. She says vaguely that, “We were starting to hear language about weapons being in the trucks.” It’s true that police and housetrained journalists were speculating about that possibility, and it’s equally true that this “language” turned out to be a fart in the wind. At a minimum, one would think this ought to be acknowledged.
Thomas goes on to add, “We were seeing daily pop-ups. We’re gonna occupy this. We’re going to occupy that. Bridges. Rail lines. More people moving across the country east and west, converge on Ottawa and Toronto.” Later, she says that “the connectedness or the inspiration that the pop-ups were getting from what was going on in Ottawa left us very concerned for the national stability.” I think the talk of “pop-ups” refers to mutterings of anti-vaccine nutbars and camo-wearing goons on social media, but I leave open the possibility that the NSIA was frightened by reruns of the classic MTV series Pop Up Video.
Whatever the reason for the very serious 2022 fears of the very serious NSIA, she blows away this part of her televised apologia within seconds by admitting that the Ottawa convoy protesters weren’t a serious threat.
“We knew a lot about what the plans were,” she recalls. “That these people were going to stay. There was the whole group of people who thought they were gonna overthrow the government. That wasn’t going to happen, but they were using intimidation and violence and threat to ensure that the occupation persisted.”
Her canned summary of the pretext for the Emergencies Act comes a little earlier in the interview: echoing the cabinet discussions that Mosley reviewed, she pleads, “There was an economic threat to Canada. There was a security threat to Canada. There was a reputational threat to Canada.”
But Mosley, sounding positively miserable that he is bound by the text of the Emergencies Act, had no choice but to toss out “economic threat” and “reputational threat” arguments. The latter seems particularly farcical: no doubt the obstruction of Canada’s borders with the United States was an awkward moment for Canada-U.S. relations, but do we really want to suspend Parliamentary rule whenever there are “reputational” pretexts?
Just a heads up, Parliament resumes today, I'm guessing it is going to be a shyte storm in the house today. Pretty sure the smell of blood will bring questions about the EA and the latest vacation the Turd took which cost a minimum 84,000 LOL
CPAC....Question period......I will PVR it because I like watching the Turd get run right out of the house.
673; Good afternoon, I hope the day is nice and mild up there too and you're all well.
Just in from doing some work in the shop and this showed up on my feed.
Spoiler alert, it's spicy and no questions are answered.
It seems he was given the vacation alright, but you and I paid for the two private jets, which all things considered is rather magnanimous of us, you know all things considered....
I find it disturbing the extent that the "justice" system is going after people involved in the convoy protest yet they gave a pass on the people that vandalized the work camp in BC or the groups that blocked the railways in the east. Sure seems like the system is skewed to manage non embarssement of the current government and prime minister.
Where are the arrests of the Palistinian protestors that are blocking bridges or causing issues in cities? Is what is happening now with this group not worse than the truck convoy? ---- or ---- is this group representing special votes in the east and it was known that trucker protestors would not vote for Liberal red anyway so there is nothing lost in continued dragging them through the legal system.
I find it disturbing the extent that the "justice" system is going after people involved in the convoy protest yet they gave a pass on the people that vandalized the work camp in BC or the groups that blocked the railways in the east. Sure seems like the system is skewed to manage non embarssement of the current government and prime minister.
Where are the arrests of the Palistinian protestors that are blocking bridges or causing issues in cities? Is what is happening now with this group not worse than the truck convoy? ---- or ---- is this group representing special votes in the east and it was known that trucker protestors would not vote for Liberal red anyway so there is nothing lost in continued dragging them through the legal system.
Rant over for now
The ones who visited the work camp and blocked railways are a protected species, nobody was able to follow the trails the Snow machines made to and from the work site, I mean...who could?....but if someone could, it would lead them to a group similar to antifa,,,,,we have an NDP government here in BC and it doesn't pass the stink test.
On the Muslim protestors.......it seems like that is their way of honoring the Charter rights of these people so long as they dont question or harm the government in any way, which is what the freedom convoy did.....question the government and its authority. They try to project an illusion of so called "democracy" but is really quite quick to morph into something else.
The mask is coming off all over the World and soon everyone will see, that is when they will pursue the "plan" regardless of what we think.
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