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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Wannabebwana
If you are intent on catching the dirty actors in politics, the absolute worst way to do it is to tell them they're being recorded and/or give them the option of a choice. You think they're stupid?


Why?

You could have rooted them out before you and Svevlanka ever became a thing...

WTF does that even mean?


Originally Posted by Jcubed
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Okay, let's get back to the point.

The head of the Republican party in AZ was trying to bribe Kari Lake not to run. Lake has incontrovertible proof of it.

What is the opinion of the fire on this matter and how will it all play out.

(and please for the love of all that's good don't get hung up on my use of the word 'incontrovertible'.)


Unless she told him she was recording, she has nothing...

Per the state laws of az.



It is literally a wag the dog moment.



But I'm not a JD

Single party state means that only one person has to know the conversation is being recorded - that would be Kari Lake. What she did was perfectly legal and useful in a court of law, so long as they can identify the second party.

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By JD I didn't mean Jeff De Witt (sp?)

I meant juris doctor (JD)

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Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
I'd like to know who the people are behind the curtain that sent Jeff DeWitt on this mission.


No one will pressure him to turn states evidence. In fact he'll probably be offered a deal to keep his mouth shut.

Jeff DeWitt did not commit suicide.


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Originally Posted by Wannabebwana
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Wannabebwana
If you are intent on catching the dirty actors in politics, the absolute worst way to do it is to tell them they're being recorded and/or give them the option of a choice. You think they're stupid?


Why?

You could have rooted them out before you and Svevlanka ever became a thing...

WTF does that even mean?


Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Steve
Okay, let's get back to the point.

The head of the Republican party in AZ was trying to bribe Kari Lake not to run. Lake has incontrovertible proof of it.

What is the opinion of the fire on this matter and how will it all play out.

(and please for the love of all that's good don't get hung up on my use of the word 'incontrovertible'.)


Unless she told him she was recording, she has nothing...

Per the state laws of az.



It is literally a wag the dog moment.



But I'm not a JD

Single party state means that only one person has to know the conversation is being recorded - that would be Kari Lake. What she did was perfectly legal and useful in a court of law, so long as they can identify the second party.


Good for her.

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Lake reacts with indignation.

'This is about defeating Trump and I think that's a bad, bad thing for our country,' she said.


A glaring glimpse of the obvious: DeSantis could have told them the same thing. But he didn't. He and his wife took the money instead and went for it. And lost. I hope the Weasel winds-up in jail.

Thanks for posting this Steve. Seems a lot of people need to be repeatedly hit over the head with a 2x4 to understand what's happening.

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Steve,

Have you read the law?

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Originally Posted by Steve
Okay, let's get back to the point.

The head of the Republican party in AZ was trying to bribe Kari Lake not to run. Lake has incontrovertible proof of it.

What is the opinion of the fire on this matter and how will it all play out.

(and please for the love of all that's good don't get hung up on my use of the word 'incontrovertible'.)

It should be yuge, but likely won’t hear of it elsewhere.


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What would be huge is if Jag could prove Trump is the President.

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I suspect it happens from school board elections and on up the chain.

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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Steve,

Have you read the law?

Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 13-3012
Exemptions

The following are exempt from the provisions of this chapter:


9. The interception of any wire, electronic or oral communication by any person, if the interception is effected with the consent of a party to the communication or a person who is present during the communication, or the installation of a pen register or trap and trace device with the consent of a user or subscriber to the service.

Now let's please stop.


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
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Does it matter? Az is a one party consent state.

Do you think he would have had the conversation if he knew he was going to be recorded? He didn't even want to have the conversation over the phone.

Dude stepped on his dick. Be interesting if he faces any consequences or just gets promoted into a beltway job.


Yes, it matters, Hillary.

Az has laws.


Seems Steve has it right. One party consent

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=AZ+law+on+recording+conversations&ia=web


What does that mean?

So, when the "Rs" were in charge it was cool?
no, it's never been cool to offer bribes to stop a candidate.

not sure if it's ever been cool to record a conversation with only the one party knowing about it, but that is the reality in some jurisdictions. In others it may be illegal or at least inadmissible in legal proceedings.

pretty easy it would seem, in those areas where it's allowed, for it to be abused by setting someone up to be entrapped.


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Steve
Okay, let's get back to the point.

The head of the Republican party in AZ was trying to bribe Kari Lake not to run. Lake has incontrovertible proof of it.

What is the opinion of the fire on this matter and how will it all play out.

(and please for the love of all that's good don't get hung up on my use of the word 'incontrovertible'.)


Unless she told him she was recording, she has nothing...

Per the state laws of az.



It is literally a wag the dog moment.



But I'm not a JD

What??????????

It has been stated over and over that Az is a one party consent state. Lake is the one party to give consent.

Unless these statements are incorrect. Lake did everything perfectly appropriately.

It is wise to remember that every person walking in America today has an audio/video recorder in their pocket.


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Entrapment is when you induce someone to do something they wouldn’t have done on their own. Recording someone who is clearly offering you a bribe is not an entrapment, any more than recording your estranged wife saying she is going to lie to the court and claim you molested your kids.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
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What is the opinion of the fire on this matter and how will it all play out.

He will lose his position.

The remaining leaders will pretend it was one bad apple rather than an endemic part of the political culture in the country.

The show will go on but with a different actor as lead.

I think this is how it will play out as well.

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I'd like to know who the people are behind the curtain that sent Jeff DeWitt on this mission.

Yes indeed.

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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Steve
Okay, let's get back to the point.

The head of the Republican party in AZ was trying to bribe Kari Lake not to run. Lake has incontrovertible proof of it.

What is the opinion of the fire on this matter and how will it all play out.

(and please for the love of all that's good don't get hung up on my use of the word 'incontrovertible'.)


Unless she told him she was recording, she has nothing...

Per the state laws of az.



It is literally a wag the dog moment.



But I'm not a JD

What??????????

It has been stated over and over that Az is a one party consent state. Lake is the one party to give consent.

Unless these statements are incorrect. Lake did everything perfectly appropriately.

It is wise to remember that every person walking in America today has an audio/video recorder in their pocket.


Read the law.

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Originally Posted by Simplepeddler
I suspect it happens from school board elections and on up the chain.

And has happened since Adam drew his first breath. Man is more jealous of few things than he is power over other men.


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
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Again, Az is a one party consent state regarding recording of conversations. <- Laws.


Well, go change them...

What is your problem with telling someone they will be recorded for the record?

Seems odd.


Wait I thought you were concerned that the recording was lawful?

No?

Leftist style tossing stuff against the wall to see what sticks then moving the goalposts.

What a POS you are.

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Originally Posted by efw
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Again, Az is a one party consent state regarding recording of conversations. <- Laws.


Well, go change them...

What is your problem with telling someone they will be recorded for the record?

Seems odd.


Wait I thought you were concerned that the recording was lawful?

No?

Leftist style tossing stuff against the wall to see what sticks then moving the goalposts.

What a POS you are.


Again, have you read the law?

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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Stunning? Not at all. It's what's been going on with political insiders for decades, if not centuries. Politicians in general, regardless of which letter follows their names, could walk under a rattlesnake's belly while wearing an Abe Lincoln stovepipe hat. They're the lowest of the low, and they're more slimy than the scum on a Louisiana bayou! In the words of Mark Twain- - - -"Dog ticks, Bed ticks, and Politics- - - -they're all a bunch of parasites!"
Notice, he didn't deny the last election wasn't stolen. What he didn't say, says volumes. I wonder if Mitch McConnel was one of those "people back east" ? I'm betting it was. Along with most of the republicans in the Senate.

For those that don't know, Kari was born and raised in Iowa before she moved to Arizona.

I think this just cemented Kari's future position as the VP in the Trump administration.

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