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If you handload or reload yes to AI if you don't it's a moot point. A 25-06AI is not to far off a 257WBY, I get over 4000 fps with 87 Vmax's and 4200 FPS with 70 Blitz Kings from a 12 twist 30" barrel. I didn't know Hornady had an 87 grain V-Max for the .257 caliber.
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No point in it- - - -you can overpressure that big -06 case with any number of modern powders without blowing it out to a fractionally bigger volume. AI is a solution looking for a problem to solve these days. Back when the only powder available for reloading was military surplus stuff sold from a 20 pound keg in a paper bag, AI might have made sense. Now the concept is as obsolete as a chastity belt. This!
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Sorry EOMP the 87gr Vmax's were for the 6-06AI the 25-06AI were 87gr Spire Point.
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The regular 25-06 has allways got the job done in a 24"..PO Ackley said it was allready overbore. Did have a 22" barreled xl-7 Marlin it shot ok but muzzleblast was rough..mb
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
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NO!
I have a 26 inch No5 contour stainless fluted match barrel on mine. It will break 3500fps with 100's and 3175fps with 120's, a bit more with the medium weights.
If you need more, its in your head and will not be realized in the field.
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Eww, that's gay ! 
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"Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"
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Paul.
"Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"
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Had myself the same conundrum about 5 years ago, but I didn't own a 25-06 yet either. Wanted a 1/4 bore, so I bought a 257 wby MKV and was finished with that. I have loaded for 4 Weatherby .257's since the 1970's, 3 Mark V's and one Vanguard. One barrel I documented every load that went through it. At 800 rounds the naked eye could see throat wear. At 900 rounds the groups were opening up. At 95 rounds the groups became unacceptable in the 3-4" range at 100 yards. At 1008 rounds I had the barrel pulled. A .25/06 I expect to triple that round count at least. Am documenting a barrel now but so far, it is still shooting very well, meaning under a half inch with preferred loads. When I can't shoot that well any longer, I am sure that barrel will still able to out perform me.
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I'm a quarterbore fan and see little reason to AI the .25-06, however the. 257R is very much improved by it.
If you pick the barrel plan on the heavy bullets currently available and expect more. Twisting it for at least 135s.
I've used mine on lots of coyotes with the 75gr Hornady hp, deer with a variety of bullets, and even elk with 120gr. The .25-06 is very versatile and easy to load for.
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�Common sense is genius dressed up in work clothes.� - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The one good thing about having an AI barrel, is you can still shoot factory ammo and start collecting formed brass for when you do start reloading of find some one who does. Also you can sell your formed brass shooters will pay good money for formed brass. I had this Remington 260 that was shot out and did a setback AKA rethroat and I AI it while it was on the lathe, it never shot as good as when it was Sammi spec, it actually shot best while I was fireforming the brass so I kept forming brass and trading the formed brass for reloading components. I have found you loose about 10% velocity while fireforming brass so I would always up the load while forming, we can't go loosing velocity now can we, one thing that was for sure the cases did not need a second cycle to form them, my buddy use to say laughing he could see the tooling marks from the chamber imprinted on the cases.LOL
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No AI. I have shot mine since 1976, accounted for 3 elk, maybe half dozen mule deer (one at 600 yards), 10-12 antelope, a Florida hog, and a couple coyotes. Once I forgot to bring my reloads, and found some Remingtons in a sporting goods store in Kremmling Co. on my way to Clark. Thankful for that. Already good enough to shoot the eye out of an Eagle at 200 paces, so I see no need to AI it.
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6.5-06 is what you are after. Better bullet selection. Longer barrel life. Excellent long range chambering. Still not a Swede but…. That one should be AI to save brass stretching. Go in peace…
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Neither you or the game animal would notice the difference. Leave it.
Last edited by reivertom; 02/15/24.
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Either round he will need handloaded ammo, and like I said in a previous post at least with 25-06 Ai he will be able to use factory ammo in a pinch.
Last edited by granitestate1; 02/15/24.
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