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All very interesting. Until you remember Article VI Sec II of the Constitution, which is often referred to as the Supremacy Clause which states: when State law and Federal Law come into conflict, Federal Law prevails. So the Union viewed the Constitution as a binding contract, which Art.VI made it. The Confederate States viewed it as a "gentleman's agreement" that could be dissolved when one part felt wronged by the other. The rub to the Southern argument was that Art.VI was in the Constitution when their representatives signed it or when they were admitted to the Union. So clearly the South was in the wrong for secession and the firing upon Fort Sumpter. Regardless of what your unreconstructed Great Great Great Grand Pappy says. If you start with a bad premise, you're bound to end up with a bad conclusion. The supremacy clause only recognizes federal law that is in agreement with the constitution. None of the federal actions were in accordance with the constitution.
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There were plenty of good guys and bad guys on both sides of the Mason Dixon Line then and not much has changed since then.
A lot of people on both sides died in that war that didn't need to. They had no stake or nothing to gain by the outcome but wound up dead anyhow. A terrible outcome for them and their families. The war started over the issue of slavery. The boys that fought and died on both sides mostly didn't give a damn about slavery one way or the other. They were conscripted, baited by a sense of adventure or patriotism or in the Souths case, invaded by a foreign army. I feel sorry for the boys and the families and many of those stories have been passed down through the generations and are still open wounds till this day.
A terrible chapter of American history. Yes well said
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I really think that according the logic of Rhod some states are missing a golden opportunity to get rich. All we have to do is pass a law that all personal property that makes it to the state from an owner who lives in another state, no longer belongs to said owner. We confiscate it, or as I prefer to say, “set it free”. We then sell it and split the proceeds. It’s full proof since it would be a great injustice to expect a state to honor the property rights of persons in another state. Your message is half-gibberish, but perhaps you fail to grasp the part of the issue where the "property" referenced were human beings rather than escaped livestock or purloined equipment? Since it involved human beings, a large portion of country stood opposed to slavery, didn't want to go along with it, and were happy to see it fail. Perhaps we could draw an analogy with abortion in our own time? And no, northerners weren't selling slaves and "splitting the proceeds" with anyone. Also, northerners who failed to go along with slavery program in their own states nullified those laws by not following them, to the point of in some cases arresting federal marshals who attempted to enforce the law. Again, perhaps we could draw an example from our own time of a state standing in opposition to the federal government in regards to illegal aliens....Texas perhaps? . Oh, so now you’re in favor of the Doctrine of Nullification. Would that the northern states had been in your camp in the 1830s and the Civil War may have been avoided. But here is what I understand and you don’t. Slaves were by the law and by the Constitution agreed upon by all parties, just that, property. Your morality doesn’t enter into the law. You don’t get to decide for yourself what laws you will enforce and what ones you won’t because morality is subjective. The Constitution was a contract, agreed to and relied upon by the states. And your side decided it no longer liked the terms. Sp instead of agreeing to dissolve the contract and let the parties depart, you decided to change the terms by force of arms and force the other side to stay and abide by the new terms against its will. And if we are going to draw analogies, yes, let’s use illegal immigration, but instead of your bullschit, let’s use reality. The reality is that the federal government is refusing to enforce the constitution and protect states against invasion, just like it refused to uphold property rights back then. And just like back then, certain states style themselves as sanctuaries and encourage and actively engage in the subversion of the lawto the detriment of those states wishing to see immigration laws enforced. The sanctuary states decry other states as mean spirited and racist and everything but Christian JUST LIKE THEY DID THEN. You know when Southerners finally had enough and decided to leave back then, you Yankees should have been happy about it. With the South gone, your states would have been slave free and you would have had no obligation to enforce or ignore regarding fugitive slaves. Sir, we’re just having a discussion amongst friends here, I hope your blood pressure stays reasonable. I understand the “property” ruling. I also understand some states decided not to go along with it because they didn’t wish to partake or abet human slavery. There was a war over this great national sin. Slavery was ended. That’s a good thing. Our federal power’s theory goes from one end of the spectrum to other in the last several elections. Sanctuary cities during the Trump administration seemed pretty confederate-y to me. No, it’s quite the opposite and very Yankeeish. The sanctuary cities want to stay in the union, ignore its laws, and call themselves morally superior to those who do keep the law of the land and wish them to do so as well.
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Question for you heathon yanky sonsabitches😃😃what’s ur thoughts on erasing history? Thomas Jefferson George Washington etc. since they had slaves ????
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I think mainly my spelling 😒
Secession. Maybe that’s right?
I’ll admit. I suck at both math and spelling.
But dammit, I got straight A’s in history!😀
I know that different teachers told Mom that they often had to read ahead of their lesson plan.
If they didn’t, I would be ahead of them.😀
But American history is a dead subject nowadays. The history that I know has been replaced by revisionist history.
America was founded on African slavery. We used “manifest destiny” as an excuse to take more land to increase slavery’s range.
In 1861 we suddenly realized slavery was wrong. So we fought a bloody 5 years Civil War to set them free.
Except for the very few times we were good, we were always advancing white power over Indians and blacks, and I guess every other good thing God put on this continent.
How could I have been so blind, to believe in a greedy white supremesist country?😒
But then again, I’m too old to be re-educated. Better off to eliminate the dinosaurs who believe America was a source of freedom!
Reon
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Shelby Foote wrote a good book on the topic.
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"But you fought all the way Johney Reb," Yes we did wabi Damn, how old are you? P
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Oh, and about being called a Yankee…I get a kick out of it.
Like being called a cracker. Hilarious.
P Tell us what you know about Crackers. I ask because I don’t live very far from Crackertown.
I am..........disturbed.
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"But you fought all the way Johney Reb," Yes we did wabi Damn, how old are you? P 39😄
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I understand that Wilkes was pissed off because of some of the things that were done to the South. For instance, William Tecumseh Sherman was a freakin terrorist, and what he ordered to be done was downright terrorism. His march to the sea, left a lot of Southerners, in really bad shape, financially and otherwise. But, the killing of Lincoln caused more suffering of the South.
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Question for you heathon yanky sonsabitches😃😃what’s ur thoughts on erasing history? Thomas Jefferson George Washington etc. since they had slaves ???? They did. That’s reality. Society evolved. The South didn’t. They abandoned evil by force, not choice. P
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"But you fought all the way Johney Reb," Yes we did wabi Damn, how old are you? P 39😄 Ah, you’re one of those “we” guys. What do you think about slavery? Was it right in 1860? P
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Pop quiz 🎉 what was Jefferson Davis prior to the war
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"But you fought all the way Johney Reb," Yes we did wabi Damn, how old are you? P 39😄 Ah, you’re one of those “we” guys. What do you think about slavery? Was it right in 1860? P We ?
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Sherman was a very conflicted person. His allowance of foraging was abused. The south did it too. It’s hard to say which was worse. Sherman’s march devastated all in its path. It was part of what brought the war to an end. At that point the drain on the south was too catastrophic. Had they listen to General Chapman? I think early on and allowed slaves to fight for their freedom they might’ve won but that was a bridge too far for leadership.
There are certainly better historians here than me but the south was doomed from the start. They didn’t have the manufacturing base and resources. Booth was a madman and his actions doomed the reconstruction.
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"But you fought all the way Johney Reb," Yes we did wabi Damn, how old are you? P 39😄 Ah, you’re one of those “we” guys. What do you think about slavery? Was it right in 1860? P We ? Answer the question. Was slavery right in 1860? P
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Pop quiz 🎉 what was Jefferson Davis prior to the war Secretary of War
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
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"But you fought all the way Johney Reb," Yes we did wabi Damn, how old are you? P 39😄 Ah, you’re one of those “we” guys. What do you think about slavery? Was it right in 1860? P We ? Answer the question. Was slavery right in 1860? P 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I won’t around then and I don’t take orders from dumfuk yanky oreogunnys
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