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Schnable looks too large to me. Looks more like a Chicopee Falls forend instead of Utica.
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Yes it is a 99A. I misspoke earlier and called it a 1899A. The schnable of these A’s was longer than the EGs and Gs so that does not look suspicious to me. The lines on the checks of the butt stock imo are not as sharp as they should be. I feel pretty confident they have been sanded.
IMHO if the numbers match I would be confident the gun left the factory in that configuration. I think the whole gun has been lightly sanded and refinished. And I’m suspicious but not confident the metal has been touched up as well.
Wouldn’t be the first or last time I was wrong….
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I have a beautiful G in 30-30 that was once an 1899H in 22HP. Letter states that Savage did the work. Maybe that is what happened here.
You can do anything you want with pictures nowadays.
Based on that, I think the rifle is correct. But I wouldn’t purchase online without a 3 day inspection.
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You can do anything you want with pictures nowadays.
Based on that, I think the rifle is correct. But I wouldn’t purchase online without a 3 day inspection. True that. The rifle looks suspicious to me as well, but in hand may be a different story.
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There were a number of receivers that never got finished after WWI. QA problems? Don't know. But we've seen this with 1919 receivers, 1922, 1924...
Then during the Depression, Savage pulled them out and finished them, added stocks and sold them. We've seen 99H's with 1919 and 1922 serial numbers, for example - and they letter as 99H's despite 99H's not showing up until 1924.
I think all the signs point to this being one. Receiver started in 1927, finished in 1931 or thereabouts.
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Thank you for the replys. A lot of knowledge here.
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A person with blueing knowledge would look at the direction of the carding of the rust blue and polish. Factory standards vs neighborhood gunsmith
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Serial number 337547 here, 1931 rifle probably. ![[Linked Image from savagefest.net]](https://www.savagefest.net/99s/99F_237xxx_ReceiverRing.jpg) OP rifle at 293553 here. ![[Linked Image from images.gunsinternational.com]](https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_109203/gi_102593655/SAVASGE-99_102593655_109203_9EC776734D8AFD31.jpg)
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Not sure if it adds anything to the discussion, but my 99H with the “ ‘99 “ is #337113.
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It does. We've only found a couple of 99's with that 'quote' mark in them. Thx!
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Thanks Jaaack and Rory. That is why I think the rifle was 1) reconditioned/rebuilt by Savage or 2) assembled by Savage at a time 1931 vs the time we would connect with the serial number.
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Thanks Jaaack and Rory. That is why I think the rifle was 1) reconditioned/rebuilt by Savage or 2) assembled by Savage at a time 1931 vs the time we would connect with the serial number. What timeframe would you guess for the rebuild? Does the mark indicate a rebuild on all rifles seen with the mark?
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[ '99 ] - could it mean that Savage really wanted to still keep on calling it the 1899 but couldn't? A disgruntled roll stamp maker who wished it was still called the 1899?
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The rifles with the mark that we've found have been in the 337,xxx range - 1931.
We haven't seen it on a definite rebuild before.
Considering this would have had a 1927 receiver stamp on it if it was finished/shipped in 1927, I'm not sure if they'd have restamped it during a refurb - or if they did that they'd have perfectly lined up all the rest of the stamp. File/grind the receiver down to where no trace of the first stamp remained before restamping? Hmm...
That's why I think it's a receiver finished late.
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OP rifle at 293553 here. Did anyone else notice how ragged the heads are on the cartridge guide pins? Looks like they were seated with a small punch or something. Have never see any that bad before. More rework??
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Thanks Jaaack and Rory. That is why I think the rifle was 1) reconditioned/rebuilt by Savage or 2) assembled by Savage at a time 1931 vs the time we would connect with the serial number. What timeframe would you guess for the rebuild? Does the mark indicate a rebuild on all rifles seen with the mark? I ment that I think the rifle was at Savage in 1931 and that that has more to account for its condition than the serial which would indicate early 1927. The way the receiver ring is marked is because of a roll die being used at the time (around 1931) not to indicate anything special. I also question the barrel having a ramp front sight. Knowing the barrel address might help but I have not seen that.
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I looked at the screw slots, dust patterns, oil patterns, dried oil on the side of the bolt, varnish on the lever, lack of sanded over dents with the possible exception of the forearm I see two small scratches, wood to receiver fit and amount of proud wood, look at edges of sights for marks, raised edge around some of the lettering not all, one broken top back edge of the forearm (I've done the same with a cleaning rag snagging and splitting off the wood), consistent blue color, lack of "smoothness" of the bluing on a handled gun. Overall, I am only concerned about the forearm being lightly sanded and perhaps extra finish on the buttstock. I could be wrong. Did you buy it Roy. Norm Norm, sorry I hadn't answered your post. Yes, I scooped it up. I like those 99A's alot. Hopefully we'll get some more answers when it's in hand I appreciate this conversation it's been educational.
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Please do follow through. I saw the rifle on two different sites and it looked different just from the way it was photo'd. I'm still looking for a nice 99-A with a ramp front sight so was looking close at it.
Glad it found a home and hope to learn more about it. Very interested in your in-hand review.
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I looked at the screw slots, dust patterns, oil patterns, dried oil on the side of the bolt, varnish on the lever, lack of sanded over dents with the possible exception of the forearm I see two small scratches, wood to receiver fit and amount of proud wood, look at edges of sights for marks, raised edge around some of the lettering not all, one broken top back edge of the forearm (I've done the same with a cleaning rag snagging and splitting off the wood), consistent blue color, lack of "smoothness" of the bluing on a handled gun. Overall, I am only concerned about the forearm being lightly sanded and perhaps extra finish on the buttstock. I could be wrong. Did you buy it Roy. Norm Norm, sorry I hadn't answered your post. Yes, I scooped it up. I like those 99A's alot. Hopefully we'll get some more answers when it's in hand I appreciate this conversation it's been educational. .. glad that you got it , many questions hopefully we can get the answers once it is in hand. norm
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The reduced price they put on it recently definitely made it more attractive.
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