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So the Germans were right to kill the Jews? That’s pretty much the exact same logic they used. So, just to clear, it’s morally okay to kill entire ethnic groups as ling as it is expedient?

I don't remember the Jews attacking and killing the Germans sporadically, I don't remember demonstrations in the streets by the Jews yelling "Kill the Germans!!!", I don't remember the Jews launching missiles into Berlin sporadically.

Matthew 15:24

I don't remember the Jews attacking and killing the Germans sporadically, I don't remember demonstrations in the streets by the Jews yelling "Kill the Germans!!!", I don't remember the Jews launching missiles into Berlin sporadically.

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise." - Ephesians 2

Paul was saying that there was a time in the past (before Christ) when an uncircumcised person was not an inheritor of the promise, i.e., aliens (non-members) of Israel but, in Christ, that is no longer the case, because in Christ circumcision of the flesh becomes meaningless.

With Christ, what matters is circumcision of the heart, which is attained through faith. In fact, the original value of circumcision of the flesh wasn't in the cutting of the flesh anyway. It's value was as a symbol of faith. Circumcision without faith was worthless, but faith without circumcision of the flesh is 100% sufficient for membership in the commonwealth of Israel.

Furthermore, the quote above makes clear that only those who believe in Christ are in any real sense part of Israel, i.e., being without Christ makes one a non-member of Israel.

"The lost sheep of the house of Israel" in Matthew 15:24, therefore, refers to all who were (at the time the statement was made) outside of Israel (i,e., all who would reject Christ), whether descended from Abraham or not.

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise." - Ephesians 2

Paul was saying that there was a time in the past (before Christ) when an uncircumcised person was not an inheritor of the promise, i.e., aliens (non-members) of Israel but, in Christ, that is no longer the case, because in Christ circumcision of the flesh becomes meaningless.

With Christ, what matters is circumcision of the heart, which is attained through faith. In fact, the original value of circumcision of the flesh wasn't in the cutting of the flesh anyway. It's value was as a symbol of faith. Circumcision without faith was worthless, but faith without circumcision of the flesh is 100% sufficient for membership in the commonwealth of Israel.

Furthermore, the Ephesians quote above makes clear that only those who believe in Christ are in any real sense part of Israel, i.e., being without Christ makes one a non-member of Israel.

"The lost sheep of the house of Israel" in Matthew 15:24, therefore, refers to all who were outside of Israel (i,e., all who rejected Christ), whether descended from Abraham or not. That's what made them lost. He sought to bring them in, which could only be accomplished by faith in him.

But you reject Paul, don't you?

Pretty much spot on evaluation of Ephesians 2.

Of course ...

I rest my case.

I am curious just how many of the more vocal members on this topic have actually been to the Middle East and seen how things are done and how they act and handle things. My bet is not one of the loudest members have been there but here you are squawking like you know what the hell is going on.

I have been to Israel, Egypt, Djibouti, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, the UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq and maybe a few more that escape me. The entire Middle East is a tinder box and is always right on the verge of exploding and that is not the fault of Israel but rather the Muslim nations who have been fighting among themselves for well over 1000 years. If any of you "geniuses" ever look at a map you will see that Israel is surrounded by enemies and they do have the distinction of being attacked by multiple nations at the same time in 1967 when they stood alone and had to fight it out. Israel knows that showing one moment of weakness would be devastating because the wolves are always at their door and not one of you cowards have ever had to live like that.

Paul was rejected by the original Christian church. All over the middle-east. He was discovered as an agent of the enemies of the newly formed Christianity. He barely escaped with his life and then only under protection of the Roman Army. They had to put him in the witness protection program of the day.

I don't remember the Jews attacking and killing the Germans sporadically, I don't remember demonstrations in the streets by the Jews yelling "Kill the Germans!!!", I don't remember the Jews launching missiles into Berlin sporadically.

There is such a thing as a converted Jew. They accept but do not seek out converts.

You might want to look into the civil war in Germany right after WW1 and see who was trying to impose communism on the German people lol. You zogbots are a disgrace.