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That is max price for used one with lock and MIM parts. You can get new one for <$800 after rebate. Brushed stainless is inferior to high polish in two ways: more oxidation prone because it is harder for to rust to start on smooth highly polished surface, blemishes can be polished off from high polish. The only advantage of brushed finish is that it does not reflect sunlight which can be an advantage when hunting game. Stainless will rust if neglected especially in humid climate like that found in deep South of USA. Someone bought stainless S&W .45 ACP revolver from 1990s. It had rust on backstrap under factory wooden grips
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Paul Barnard: I have two Smith & Wesson Model 617's and much prefer the longer 8 3/8" barrels and six shot models for field work/small game. And of course I would personally pass on the versions with the "hillary hole". I paid $740.00 for an estate consignment S&W Model 617-1 with the 8 3/8" barrel and that revolver was in unfired/as new condition (no box) last December. I wish I was more up on the "hillary holed" revolvers by Smith & Wesson for you but that $650.00 price tag does not seem way off at all. Best of luck if you decide to go for it and remember the "hillary holed" Smith & Wesson revolvers take LONGER to resell should that need arise even though they are lesser priced than similar "non-hillaryholed" models. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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That's not a bad deal, But I prefer the non Hillary hole models. Like a 17-3.
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I wouldn't pay half that. Key lock is a deal breaker.
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That's not a bad deal, But I prefer the non Hillary hole models. Like a 17-3. Exactly! Just find a nice pre-lock one, or better yet a pre-82 one.
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Enlighten me on the lock if you will. Did it in any way impede the function of the gun or is it simply the notion of having a Hillary Hole that is devaluing those models?
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The lock isn’t going to be a big deal Paul. Go over to the S&W forum and buy a “Plug” for it for a few bucks. If you’re not a complete idiot and you can safely operate a screwdriver you can delete the lock and plug the hole at your kitchen table in about 10 minutes. Maybe swap a spring kit in while you’re at it if you want or feel the need.
Go forth and slay pop cans and snakes to your hearts content.
I’ve worked on and or shot tons of S&W revolvers. The only issues I’ve ever encountered with the locks were them engaging under extreme recoil. 329PD and X frames. This is of course bad. But it is easily remedied as described above. I don’t like them but some guns have never been offered without them.
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Enlighten me on the lock if you will. Did it in any way impede the function of the gun or is it simply the notion of having a Hillary Hole that is devaluing those models? Both. People have reported the lock mechanism self-engaging under recoil, requiring the key to unlock it again.
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Paul, IMHO, the 617 is one of the Hillary hole guns that will maintain its value. For many, it is a desirable piece. All this meaning, If you should decide to sell it you probably won't have any problem getting your money back
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If you’re not a complete idiot and you can safely operate a screwdriver you can delete the lock and plug the hole at your kitchen table in about 10 minutes. Sounds like I would need to lean on my neighbor a bit if I bought it.
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I just checked the ad again. It's been sold.
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You dodged a bullet, LOL.
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You dodged a bullet, LOL. Lol. Agreed. Get a pre-lock.
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You dodged a bullet, LOL. Lol. Agreed. Get a pre-lock. It makes no difference to someone that intends to use item as it was intended. Second-hand should be 20% to 30% < new due to loss of lifetime warranty to the original owner. Not sure how S&W addresses issue if the original owner has not send in registration card. If the gun is no longer made and S&W honors warranty to secondary owner than price reduction can be less. Do not pay huge premiums for no internal lock guns because lock can be plugged for about $40 plus your installation time. The difference in price should be about $100 not hundreds of dollars as is often seen. Contrary to what some will tell you MIM parts like hammers, cylinder release buttons do not break. The prices for older S&W revolvers have become so high that cost often exceeds price of new Colt DA/SA revolvers. I would leave those boxed S&W collectors who keep them in safes and take them out for pictures to be posted on the net. Don't pay extra $200 for cardboard boxes. Blue plastic S&W boxes with foam lining can be bought for <$20 (Midway USA).
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You dodged a bullet, LOL. Lol. Agreed. Get a pre-lock. It makes no difference to someone that intends to use item as it was intended. Second-hand should be 20% to 30% < new due to loss of lifetime warranty to the original owner. Not sure how S&W addresses issue if the original owner has not send in registration card. If the gun is no longer made and S&W honors warranty to secondary owner than price reduction can be less. Do not pay huge premiums for no internal lock guns because lock can be plugged for about $40 plus your installation time. The difference in price should be about $100 not hundreds of dollars as is often seen. Contrary to what some will tell you MIM parts like hammers, cylinder release buttons do not break. The prices for older S&W revolvers have become so high that cost often exceeds price of new Colt DA/SA revolvers. I would leave those boxed S&W collectors who keep them in safes and take them out for pictures to be posted on the net. Don't pay extra $200 for cardboard boxes. Blue plastic S&W boxes with foam lining can be bought for <$20 (Midway USA). You should STFU now
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PB the 617’s are nice for sure….
But if you are only going to have a few .22 revolvers (an assumption on my part) get an early 17 like dirts up there^ and you will never have an ounce of regret
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There is no point buying antiquated 6-shot .22 revolver when more modern versions are available. The 617 was available with 10-shot steel cylinder and no internal lock from 1997 to 2001. MIM parts were introduced in 1998.
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Do you know what a pain in the ass it is to clean 10 .22 caliber chambers?? You don't need ten uninterrupted shots from a .22.
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There is no point buying antiquated 6-shot .22 revolver when more modern versions are available. The 617 was available with 10-shot steel cylinder and no internal lock from 1997 to 2001. MIM parts were introduced in 1998. Damn…this is how you say you don’t own or shoot any k-22’s
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There is no point buying antiquated 6-shot .22 revolver when more modern versions are available. The 617 was available with 10-shot steel cylinder and no internal lock from 1997 to 2001. MIM parts were introduced in 1998. Damn…this is how you say you don’t own or shoot any k-22’s I shot one, big heavy, ugly with cylinder holding only 6 .22lr cartridges. I do not understand 🤩, then again it does not take me back to time when candy bar cost 5c. New Model 63 is substantially smaller and has 8 cartridge capacity.
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There is no point buying antiquated 6-shot .22 revolver when more modern versions are available. The 617 was available with 10-shot steel cylinder and no internal lock from 1997 to 2001. MIM parts were introduced in 1998. Damn…this is how you say you don’t own or shoot any k-22’s I shot one, big heavy, ugly with cylinder holding only 6 .22lr cartridges. I do not understand 🤩, then again it does not take me back to time when candy bar cost 5c. New Model 63 is substantially smaller and has 8 cartridge capacity. As far as Model 63"s go, I rather have the original 6 shot. Slavek , maybe you should just shoot .22 Autos, and as said before--STFU
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There is no point buying antiquated 6-shot .22 revolver when more modern versions are available. The 617 was available with 10-shot steel cylinder and no internal lock from 1997 to 2001. MIM parts were introduced in 1998. Damn…this is how you say you don’t own or shoot any k-22’s I shot one, big heavy, ugly with cylinder holding only 6 .22lr cartridges. I do not understand 🤩, then again it does not take me back to time when candy bar cost 5c. New Model 63 is substantially smaller and has 8 cartridge capacity. As far as Model 63"s go, I rather have the original 6 shot. Slavek , maybe you should just shoot .22 Autos, and as said before--STFU I would understand if you preferred old car which can not be used to listen to you or offer capability to monitor your exact location or movements. I do not understand why you are willing to accept less capable firearm. The only thing 6 shot cylinder offers is more weight not needed or desired in .22lr.
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I made this comparison on weight between my 617 and my 17-3. Interesting I thought. Both don’t have original stocks, but interesting none the less. If the 617 was a 6” barrel with a 10 shot cylinder I wonder how close they would be.
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The only problem the hole ever gave me, and I’ve put a lot of rounds through an L-frame and some through a J-frame, both .357s, is when I locked them when I had to leave them in the car, and then forgot to unlock them. Carried one locked for about a week…..
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The only problem the hole ever gave me, and I’ve put a lot of rounds through an L-frame and some through a J-frame, both .357s, is when I locked them when I had to leave them in the car, and then forgot to unlock them. Carried one locked for about a week….. There you go. Just one more thing that can possibly go wrong. Those locks have no business being on emergency equipment of any sort. Imagine if our household fire extinguishers had a key lock on them, for example.
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The only problem the hole ever gave me, and I’ve put a lot of rounds through an L-frame and some through a J-frame, both .357s, is when I locked them when I had to leave them in the car, and then forgot to unlock them. Carried one locked for about a week….. There you go. Just one more thing that can possibly go wrong. Those locks have no business being on emergency equipment of any sort. Imagine if our household fire extinguishers had a key lock on them, for example. Yours don’t?😛 You’re correct, of course, but if for some reason you want a newish one, it’s what you get. The two I have now aren’t primary defense pieces, so no big deal, and the lock does offer an alternative to a lock box for the car. I have keys on all my keychains JIC. I’ll have to check into the disabling process. Does it require a shim for the hammer? (Anybody) Funny how they offer so many autos with no real safety except the trigger whatzits, but they persist in selling most of their revolvers with that silly hole.
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No Hillary hole in this one…..
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There is no point buying antiquated 6-shot .22 revolver when more modern versions are available. The 617 was available with 10-shot steel cylinder and no internal lock from 1997 to 2001. MIM parts were introduced in 1998. Damn…this is how you say you don’t own or shoot any k-22’s And say it from a foreign socialist country. (Doesn't even live in the USA, but acts like he knows and understands the market here).
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No Hillary hole in this one….. Lol. Nope. Beautiful.
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Will be 90 at some point this year, maybe already.
Gonna shoot it tomorrow.
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No Hillary hole in this one….. Not here either.
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Nice Bekeart Ed…
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Nice Bekeart Ed… Where's the martini? Mine is very accurate I assume yours is as well.
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Nice Bekeart Ed… Where's the martini? Mine is very accurate I assume yours is as well. Sweetness! Great looking tomatoes, Cert.
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Nice Bekeart Ed… Where's the martini? Mine is very accurate I assume yours is as well. Sir…one should never mix alcohol and fine .22’s. Unless of course you happen to be thirsty acer v5 keyboard not working
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Nice Bekeart Ed… You using that to control hornworms?😛 I know they’re tough, but a simple snip with shears has always dropped them quickly for me…….
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