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I had one I bought as a mess. 223 700 converted to a 221 FB. It operated as a single shot flicking the brass out with a jackknife. I had it reamed to 222 Rem Mag. Now it’s something. Burning 4 grains more powder never shot so good.
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I had one I bought as a mess. 223 700 converted to a 221 FB. It operated as a single shot flicking the brass out with a jackknife. I had it reamed to 222 Rem Mag. Now it’s something. Burning 4 grains more powder never shot so good. You said it " a mess" right tools for the job is the answer. I guess we all should just shoot 22's and drive Fords it would be easier. For fugg sake.
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What amazes me is when somebody wants to build something people wanna shoot it down because of this that or the other. I guess some should just shoot a BB gun. What amazes me is that dip$hit$ can’t handle someone else’s opinion when asked. Build a hairdryer for all I give a [bleep].
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If your had to dig your 221 cases out with a jacknife it was a brass issue, a 221 FB brass are nothing more than shortened 222 or 223 brass which the ejector picks up fine
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What amazes me is when somebody wants to build something people wanna shoot it down because of this that or the other. I guess some should just shoot a BB gun. What amazes me is that dip$hit$ can’t handle someone else’s opinion when asked. Build a hairdryer for all I give a [bleep]. Then resort to name calling I LOVE IT. stick is right some shoot and some dont. You opinion makes no sense, every cartridge you just mentioned i have so I have an honest opinion if you can't handle that YOUR PROBLEM.
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The cases extracted but didn’t eject clear. I thought I mentioned that. There was no brass issue. It was the length of the case being too short, and the apparent ejector location on the 700 bolt face. Rem 700 will work with a FB case if they came that way from Remington. Pic of the mess. Now fixed and proper
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You obviously didn't read what I posted either about a 700 that a correct follower and sako extractor because of extraction timing. I would never use a factory 700 anymore on anything now a days a mac bros action is alot more bang for the buck, no primary extraction issues, sloppy firing pin hole or extraction issues. Doesn't matter what cartridge you use if you dont have the correct metal it won't feed period.
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Yeah I stopped reading most of your garbage after your first sentence. Verbal diarrhea.
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Yeah I stopped reading most of your garbage after your first sentence. Verbal diarrhea. Typical fire B.S when dont know what there talking about, first O.P wants to use a Howa action that has what kind of extractor? second he never even asked about a repeater, now who is spewing Verbal diarrhea from one who has never owned a 20VT?
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Owned 2 model 700s in 221 fb. An LVSF, and a model 700 LS.
Neither ejected worth a dam. They extracted fine. But instead of kicking the empties out, they just flipped it backward into the ejection port on top of the other rounds. Loaded rounds eject fine. But empties turn the rifle into a single shot. You would have to fish the case out. Fine if punching paper or shooting varmints but always a [bleep] for a calling rifle when you need a fast second shot.
This isn't even up for debate and the reason my 221 is a CZ. I love a model 700, but not in the fireball length cases.
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Between the two, I’d go .221, as .22 is just easier, and I’d also consider a .222 for its great accuracy and maybe its tradition. As a practical matter though, I find it difficult to depart from the .223 among the smaller .22s. It’s the easiest of all in just about every way, and does all I need, and could even replace my little Hornet (but won’t, ever!).
Have fun.
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Man this place got aggressive lol. Thanks for all the input so far. I’m set on using the Howa mini action that I have. Everything I have read and watched says it works perfectly with the 221/17 fireballs. I’m starting to lean towards the VT. I have a 222 rem and several 223s. I have a 204 so maybe maybe a small 20 cal cartridge would fit best. And yes I do plan on it being a repeater. Thanks again for all the input.
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What amazes me is when somebody wants to build something people wanna shoot it down because of this that or the other. I guess some should just shoot a BB gun. Advice was requested, and offered. Quote: Any input is welcomed and appreciated!
What fresh Hell is this?
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What amazes me is when somebody wants to build something people wanna shoot it down because of this that or the other. I guess some should just shoot a BB gun. Advice was requested, and offered. Quote: Any input is welcomed and appreciated!Comprehension is optional around here.
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Ky221: I have absolutely NO issues with my Remington 700 in 221 Remington Fireball! It functions just fine and shoots quite well indeed. Mine is the Remington 700 Class Loading, extraction, ejection all perform as one would want in my gun - I have another friend with a 700 Classic in 221 Remington Fireball and his performs as expected also. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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You and your varmint pal got the only two that do then. Because 700s and fireballs are notorious for the issue stated above.
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As I mentioned on the varmint sub forum.... Ran a 20 VT right at 15 yrs...Pac Nor 12 twist...26" tube & 1" at muzzle Strictly a portable table gun for p/dogs...Savage SS SA solid bottom s/shot action & Accue trigger Retired it at an estimated 10K rds down the tube about 2 yrs ago Beauty of the Savage action...pull ejector pin so you're not chasing brass 20 VT is much faster & flatter than the 221 FB.....20 cal 40 V Max vs the .224 50 V Max Forming brass & dies are as easy as the 20 Practical...another fine cartridge Long live the 20 Vartarg......Yes.....I did have a 221 FB in a CZ Varmint ...long gone https://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/20caliber/#20VARTARG
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When did CZ chamber the fireball in the 527 Varmint? I only ever saw it on the American?
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I had a 527 204 varment that I set back to a 20VT that dot great, feed and ejected just fine.
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You and your varmint pal got the only two that do then. Because 700s and fireballs are notorious for the issue stated above. Some can get them to work because its called gunsmithing work.
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