|
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 12
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 12 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 131,874 Likes: 41
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 131,874 Likes: 41 |
Were our nation governed by non-criminals, this would never become a relevant question, because the instant the authorities realized they were dealing with an illegal alien, he'd be in custody till they could return him to his nation of origin, and the carrying of firearms while in custody has always been illegal in the US.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,185 Likes: 17
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,185 Likes: 17 |
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 24,583 Likes: 18
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 24,583 Likes: 18 |
Were our nation governed by non-criminals, this would never become a relevant question, because the instant the authorities realized they were dealing with an illegal alien, he'd be in custody till they could return him to his nation of origin, and the carrying of firearms while in custody has always been illegal in the US. Yep
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 14,977 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 14,977 Likes: 2 |
This a magic time to be illegal in America.
--- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE --- A Magic Time To Be An Illegal In America---
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 15,104 Likes: 16
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 15,104 Likes: 16 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,970 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,970 Likes: 5 |
Were our nation governed by non-criminals, this would never become a relevant question, because the instant the authorities realized they were dealing with an illegal alien, he'd be in custody till they could return him to his nation of origin, and the carrying of firearms while in custody has always been illegal in the US. This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,237 Likes: 37
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,237 Likes: 37 |
He shouldn't have been here - granted but I have a hard time seeing an Obama appointed, female, black, judge basically saying - IN CHICAGO - that a person (part of the people political community or not) has a constitutional right to keep and bear arms as a bad thing.
“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Coleman, appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her 8-page ruling.
Do I want illegals here and armed? No. Absolutely not but them being armed isn't even in question if they're not here.
Do I want zero infringement on the 2A - absolutely and given a lib dem judge making a ruling with unintended consequences of setting the bar lower for the definition of "infringement" and realizing infringement is unconstitutional - I'll take it. Not a lawyer but this sorta sets the tone - it's basically that any infringement is unconstitutional, - his being an illegal alien is the determining factor for prohibition and thus an "infringement" of the right to keep and bear arms. I can't imagine keeping that genie in a bottle for proving infringement now.
There's no such thing then as a "gun free zone" anymore.
Me
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 9,145 Likes: 3
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 9,145 Likes: 3 |
What does question 12c on form 4473 mean? Are you an alien illegally or unlawfully in the US? Can an alien acquire a firearm legally or not?
One can not ignore that Judge Coleman could be a DEI hire.
Last edited by flintlocke; 03/19/24.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 12
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 12 |
But doesn't the knock on effect imply anyone is guaranteed the right - based on long standing tradition? Like walking into Montgomery Wards in the 1950's and buying yourself a pistol and a box of shells?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 19,111
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 19,111 |
The only right that an illegal alien should have is the right to be quickly deported. When they enter, violating the law, they give up other rights. miles
Look out for number 1, don't step in number 2.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 12,089 Likes: 9
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 12,089 Likes: 9 |
The fact that this case could even be tried is insane.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,237 Likes: 37
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,237 Likes: 37 |
The only right that an illegal alien should have is the right to be quickly deported. When they enter, violating the law, they give up other rights. miles I prefer the idea that the right to self defense and the 2A is one from my creator and can't be taken away by a government who can/can not determine if someone counts or not. Should they be here? No - there's no right to enter the US. That's a separate topic. A person in the US has a RIGHT to the 2A, endowed from our creator and no government can take that away and this is a good case to point that out. While this person is illegal and this person, technically is a criminal - they still enjoy the right to the 2A while in the US. Now explain how you take the 2A away from someone who isn't.....
Me
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 14,370
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 14,370 |
So… if a million armed Communist Chinese, crossed the border, we’ll give them a cell phone, put them up in hotels, feed them and tell them “welcome to America” what could go wrong…? Feel free to substitute Chinese with your choice of country of origin…
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,192 Likes: 6
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,192 Likes: 6 |
2A secures the 1A.
Founders trusted the people more than they trusted govt.
Today, it’s the opposite.
Powers that be have to neutralize the Constitution if we allow that.
Stalin wasn’t worried about the vote, only the counting of the vote.
So it is today.
DF
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 904
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 904 |
What does question 12c on form 4473 mean? Are you an alien illegally or unlawfully in the US? Can an alien acquire a firearm legally or not?
One can not ignore that Judge Coleman could be a DEI hire. Valid point, what does the ATF have to say about this ruling...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 10,801 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 10,801 Likes: 1 |
Illegals can now have firearms...what could go wrong?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 8,630 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 8,630 Likes: 1 |
So… if a million armed Communist Chinese, crossed the border, we’ll give them a cell phone, put them up in hotels, feed them and tell them “welcome to America” what could go wrong…? Feel free to substitute Chinese with your choice of country of origin… Dude What is their Mission Statement Hahahaha Hahahaha
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 8,025 Likes: 21
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 8,025 Likes: 21 |
Assuming he bought it from a FFL. Surely not the case. Assuming he "bought" it at all. Wonder what happens when it's a white guy next ? The court finds that Carbajal-Flores’ criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly and should be deprived of his Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense.”
Roy
What this world needs is a few more Rednecks.
The Dildō Of Consequence Rarely Arrives Lubed
Waterboarding isn't illegal if you use diesel
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 12,089 Likes: 9
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 12,089 Likes: 9 |
Some people are missing the point. He is an alien that has broken the law and defied the Constitution to invade our border illegally. He has no rights as an American Citizen.
|
|
|
|
222 members (12344mag, 1Longbow, 338rcm, 10Glocks, 44mc, 470Evans, 17 invisible),
1,697
guests, and
960
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,455
Posts18,507,979
Members74,002
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|