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You think dolphins would have helped that crash? Honest question.

What type of companies do want to pay for what’s not needed, brother Geno?

As far as insurance actuary tables, I bet they all get updated now for municipal type projects (bridges, highways, etc). Nothing is the same price as just three years ago. They may have been using 5 year old construction costs when they were weighing the cost of a tug boat escort. And what were the ODDS a ship would take out the most important structural support?

Assuming they hit the dolphin the same was as they did the support - maybe. I could see it hitting one, pinwheeling the ship sideways and getting stuck, either on the 2 dolphins (adjacent supports) or into another support. That's one big boat with a ton of weight. Wedged sideways with the currents... be a bad deal.

I don't know that it prevents the bridge failure - we're talking a really unfortunate event.

Maybe a dolphin buys time to get power/steering or at least, slow enough to get bow thrusters to work.

But absent zero bridges, I think dolphins will be the solution selected for this.

The odds of it hitting one of those supports, on either side of the main shipping channel, were much higher than hitting one of the other supports as the ship HAS to go between them when staying in the shipping channel.

But, how many ships have gone through there safely since the bridge was built? And if it's rebuilt, how many could get through without another incident? Might be the first ship through..............might be the millionth one.

Honestly, most folks don't realize how much traffic goes under that bridge, or any other one crossing a major port. And I tend to agree, why would a shipping company (the companies that will likely be required to pay) want to pay for something that has a 1:1000 chance of occurring, or maybe less even.

Our house sits on the high side of our seasonal creek and therefor not in the flood zone for requiring flood insurance. Doesn't mean in a really big year we won't get flooded, just that the odds are less. So we're not spending more on flood insurance............but maybe we should.

My comment about companies not wanting to pay for tug assistance is just that...........it's all about the money, and they're nothing wrong with their thinking. If the pilot of the ship had thought conditions warranted tugs, he would have requested them and the company would have had to hire them. I'm guessing the pilot just figured it would be a routine trip until he climbed down the ladder to the boat to take him back to shore.

If those authorities determine tugs are needed all the way out in the future, it's just one more thing to add to the inflation LGB says isn't that bad.

Absolutely, positively true...modern mega bulk carriers are single purpose, lego built, cookie cutter ships, built as cheaply as possible,manned by the cheapest labor with a high turnover rate, Filipinos, Indians, Indonesians, Chinese officers. To get your head around it, think Ryder Rental truck, with a driver hired off the curb at Home Depot.
Sadly the days of well built ships with features of redundancy and longevity in mind, with the Chief Engineer there from the day the keel was laid, through sea trials, through a good portion of the ship's useful life are long gone. This incident is just a symptom of an industrial disease.

Oh, that's not a pretty picture in my mind. A 1000' vessel caught up on the dolphins, sideways to traffic and the current, upstream of a bridge. Yikes.

As you say though, they might buy some time. Maybe for the tide to change and push it back off the dolphins even?

But damn, if it sat there for awhile, all that tonnage pushing on them, hoping they held. Gives me shivers thinking about it.

Good points

Ive already made it known that I do NOT know jack chit about this kind of thing lol. What are dolphins?

Obviously so.

The only thing I can figure here is a sort of "false flag" "cry wolf" .. do it deliberately so many times regarding so many things that when the real thing happens, regardless of what it is, nobody takes it seriously. That or maybe an attention whore looking for clicks.

I would bet any improvements deemed necessary after this, if any, fall on the ship design and operation.

Geno, you mentioned 1 to 1,000 could be the odds of that structural column being struck by a passing ship, I’d guess it’s much smaller of a chance by a few orders of magnitude. Statistically speaking, you’d have a probability when everything is normal then start reducing the chance dramatically when you enter in any mechanical failures they find occurred within a certain vicinity of the bridge .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure)

Nobody is here to spoon feed you. Have one of the orderlies at the Home show you how to use a search engine.

Thanks.

Probably right about orders of magnitude, especially if including commercial fishing vessels, recreational ships, Navy, etc.

I don't remember when that bridge was built but I bet there's been 1000+ big ships under that going to those docks in the harbor.

The Dali appears to have beaten the odds.

Dolphin is a delicious fish, "Mahi Mahi" in Spanish. They don't lead ships safely to harbor (or out) or make love to sailors. That's a porpoise. They have a purpose but are endangered by fossil fuels in the ozone. They are intelligent but AI made them obsolete. I have nothing more useful left to contribute to the conflabrugation.

Large bumpers basically in the water on both the inbound/downbound side. Usually round and concrete from ones I've seen.

Dude,

look scheidt up if you're not sure.

Mahi Mahi is from Hawai'i

the fish, dolphin, is called dorado in Spanish.

Jeebus

Big concrete ones below some of the dams on the Columbia/Snake.

Lots of wooden, piling types everywhere.

Big bumpers is right and sometimes a place to tie off and wait for traffic to clear so you can proceed.

Now I'm confused. I thought dolphin was the meat I'm getting in my can of tuna.

Nah, not no more. they have dolphin safe nets now.

Wife had some of them delphiniums...they wouldn't stop no ship I ever seen...I wouldn't eat one, even with tunny...but the deer liked 'em.