Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Do You Believe the Earth is 6000 Years Old?

The “evidence for a Creator of the Universe” is the most abundant body of evidence…for anything…that there is.

It's not exactly a hidden secret is it......

Nope.

My position is simple. There's no good evidence for the existence of your god.

If you had good evidence you would present it.

Your silence is deafening.

And this argument ends in the logical fallacy of special pleading.

YOUR entire argument is based solely on your insistence to ignore the evidence that God provides you on a daily basis, then demand some form of "better" evidence be provided by God's followers.

I don't wake up every day needing God to prove Himself to me.

I do wake up every day needing to prove myself to God.

We are not the same.

The Miracle of Life is all the proof I need that God exists.

Why don't you step right up and make a living thing, a living ANYTHING.

Should be easy enough for you, since it doesn't require God......

I happen to believe that there is a supernatural force and I believe that Jesus was his/it’s messenger. But I sure cannot prove it.

I misunderstood your comment then. My apologies.

No problem. I just need an earth sized test space and about 4.5 billion years.

“Logical fallacy of special pleading.”
“Pascal’s wager.”
etc.

lol

Do you have any original thoughts on this matter…?

You have clearly chosen to deny the abundant evidence that all of creation provides for a Creator.

It most definitely is. You don’t want there to be a God. Period.

Dude


of course it does.

It gives the Campfire one more topic to argue about.

How can Laws Of Logic exist in a random universe? They are immutable, everywhere, immaterial, abstract, mental constructs. AS has to borrow God's Laws to argue against God!

No, you don't need that.

The ingredients are all around you, every single thing a living cell is made of is within your grasp. I doubt you'd even have to get out of your lazy boy.

Put stuff together, and create life.

Nope. I've taken too many geology classes.

Daaaamn! It's stunning that this is a topic for discussion. What's going on with the education system, is Geology not taught anymore?

Boy?

I'm not the one offering 3rd grade arguments.

GFY.

Lazy Boy.

Get up out of your lazy boy.

It's a chair, often found in a living room, or otherwise a generic term to describe any reclining living room chair........you dolt.

Why is it so inconceivable that our definition of time may not have a thing to do with it?

It’s an embarrassment that grown men would even entertain such a question.

As usual, this discussion is devolving into finger pointing and name calling as per the the unwritten rules of 24HCF....

Everyone wants proof of the existence of a creator- that which us believers call God- before committing to a stance on this subject. It seems one of the arguments is there are thousands of religions so there can't be one right one and thousands of wrong ones so it is all hokus pokus and therefore nonsense. At least that seems to be the argument for many. I read an article many years ago that a number of scientists tried to get to the bottom of this and went in search of some sort of truth of what beliefs all the different religions followed and how they differed and how they were similar. After much research and collaboration between the scientists they discovered that the "creator" that almost all religions followed had extreme similarities to each other and could easily be resolved by simple or even substantial cultural differences. Even accounting for those factors, all these Gods were basically the same accounting for cultural differences and influences.

And then there is the matter of proof. It seems without proof in order to prove there is a God, then it cannot be rationally believed by a critically thinking people. So , God provided miracles over the years and especially when his people were starting to doubt His existence. The 10 commandments, the burning bush, the loaves and fishes, and many more including the Madonna. To many these are either lies or parlor tricks, not to be believed or trusted any more than a magician at the circus or a fortune teller in a tent. I agree that faith requires a certain suspension of rational thought and an effort to entertain the possibilities and accuracy of the recorded history- especially in the religious realm. Not all will be swayed and I think that is fine- and possibly by design. Real truths are only uncovered when there is tension in the conversation. If all followed blindly the history and truths would be lost or forgotten and have no real meaning.

Another article I read one time when I was teenager a very long time ago was that there was no hell beyond death. We create our hell here on earth and live it as punishment for our sins while we reside here. Some might call it Karma but misery is our reward for not following the teachings of Jesus Christ . The source of this interesting article was the Catholic Sentinel - the news paper of the time of the church - and was written by a cardinal in good standing at the time.

There is no doubt there are lots of critical thinkers here on this site- and quite a few who are not so much so.... but I would expect nothing less than a robust conversation about a subject so deeply personal as this.

Bob