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Good afternoon, I hope this finds you well and your weather improving. I've been scanning through various posts and came across your singing the praises of the Tisas D10. Do you have any further thoughts or experiences using it since you last posted about it? Out of curiosity, why would you consider a 1911 style 10mm as against say a FN 510 with a much higher magazine capacity?

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I suspect you'd get better results by changing your header to "Phil Shoemaker and 10mm Tisas," or sending him a private message. While Phil still participates here, he does so far less than he used to due to the increasingly contentious nature of the Campfire.

Wow! So elegant.

Thanks for continuing to hang out with us Mule Deer. Your writings and musings are always spot on.

....and VERY much appreciated!

I'll take a stab at it to keep the thread going until Phil shows up. I really enjoy reading bear stories. I have read every book I could get my hands on. While most man/bear encounters I have read of involved rifles, those involving pistols were settled in fewer shots than a 1911 holds. I simply don't think that at the ranges man/bear encounters take place the situations afford time for more well placed shots than a 1911 provides. Well placed is likely the reason for the 1911 preference. Simply something that he shoots well.

Tisas and other Turkish guns by most accounts are good, reliable guns at very good prices. I simply can't bring myself to buy a gun made in a country that supports terrorism.

While I understand the feeling anent Turkey and agree; Our current administration appears to be preferring Hamas over the victims of their terror activities. The world is a complicated and often corrupt place.

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I have two 1911s, a Springfield Professional in 45 ACP and a Springfield V16 in 45 Super. Love them both. The 45 Super is my woods gun.

While there certainly are some good guns coming out of Turkey, there are also enough turds that I won’t chance another. My CZ O/U came with an action so tight I could hardly open it, and the barrels were 8” apart at 40 yards. CZ USA worked on the action, but the convergence issue was just my tough luck. The bastards had the nerve to send me a test target showing them only 4” apart, at 20 yards. I’m no mathman, but c’mon man!

There was a lot of wishing and hoping about the new Springfield .22 rifle, but all the tests I read and watched yielded very mediocre accuracy. You’d think at least one of them would’ve made a fair showing. A number of guys I shoot clays with have bought inexpensive autoloaders made in Turkey, and they’ve been far more troublesome than the Brownings, Berettas, Remingtons, and Benellis. Another concern is parts availability. I found a very pristine Browning Gold Hunter a few years back and it has a plastic bolt buffer that had deteriorated, as plastic sometimes does, since 1995. A couple of new ones were easy to find. Try finding parts for one of those Turkish Delights in 20 years or so, or even today.

The Turkish guns do often have nice wood…..

I’ve had a pending 10mm 1911 handgun purchase (of quality) on the backburner for some time. Was thinking maybe a Kimber but the price tag on the Tisas is tempting. Can’t wait to hear Phil’s take.

My results with the Tisas 10 mm have been excellent and I would not be hesitant carrying it, loaded with the proper ammunition of course, as bear protection. Using similar bullets it’s performance and power rank right alongside the 357 and slightly better than the 9mm.
I just picked up a S&W M 58 41 Mag and plan on carrying and testing it this summer.

But power & penetration are only one side of the issue as handguns also have to be easily and comfortable to carry all day. The 41, my 44 Mtn Gun and the Tisas 10mm all weigh approx the same and are noticeably heavier on the hip after 8-10 hours of fishing than my M65 S&W 357.

Well looks like you won’t be buying any guns if that’s the case

I am always on the lookout for new guns to test

There certainly should be no secret to producing a reliable 1911 at this point, all it takes is the will. An inexpensive one in 10mm, assuming it works, makes perfect sense as a trail gun that might be subject to some neglect and possibly even loss; no need for a Barbecue Gun for that application, nor one with match-grade accuracy. No worries about parts or service with a 1911 either.

Just checked their website and they look like a serious company, and one that puts their own name on what they make and sell. Mr. Phil’s recommendation doesn’t do any harm either….. Might be worth a shot, though I’m not buying any more guns, honest honey😝

Love my Delta Elite 10mm. Any 180 grain bullet, XTP preferred, 8.2 grains of Longshot and she’s ready to rumble.

Thanks for sticking around 458WIN. You are greatly appreciated!

Do you much prefer something like a S&W 65 to a compact 9mm for the lighter & handier carry?

I picked up a D-10 in December, for less than $600 out the door. Other than needing a trigger job real badly (as do any factory 1911 pistols), it's been an excellent pistol so far. After doing a trigger tweak, it shoots as well as my RIA 6" 10mm.

Both of those pistols will sling brass into another county with the factory springs, and should be re-sprung, if you want to reload your own ammo and keep your brass. That's the nature of the 10mm, though, my Colt Delta Elite did the same thing back in 1987, when I bought it. Of the three pistols, I actually like the D-10 best of the bunch. They all shoot about the same, in my hands, anyway. I paid about the same amount of money for the Colt, in 1987, that I did for the Tisas, 4 months ago. amd the D-10 came with adjustable sights, and checkered frontstrap, that I paid extra for, on the Colt.
The Tisas is one helluva bargain.

Phil: Since you are "...always on the lookout for new guns to test" you might want to find a Taurus Titanium 5 shot 41 Mag to test. Weighs 24 ounces. With a 4" barrel it shoots Federal 250 grain Castcore (P418) at 1240 fps. Despite what 10mm advocates state the 10mm (220 grain at 1100 fps) is not a 41 magnum. The Taurus Titanium is my bear protection when I am hooffing it.

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CONTENTIOUS NATURE? I’ll have you know that she wasn’t even a FIRST cousin! That’s the last time I tell you anything about my family reunions!

It’s not simply the “continuous nature”.
I simply feel overwhelmed by all the bear experts and their choice of weapons 🙄

Ha!