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I have been forgetting to write to the 24hourcampfire about a tragic situation in Sweden. A fellow that I know by email has endured persecution in Sweden because he was selling, as related to me, once fired Norma rifle brass. He was arrested on trumped up charges(sound familiar) for allegedly fabricating ammunition and selling it internationally. He was in jail for close to a year and only saw his wife once or twice that whole time. Eric(not his real name) and his attorney made the prosecuting attorney look like an idiot in court. He now has the Swedish Army sued because in Sweden you cannot demand a person to be fired because you have a contract with the government, until proven guilty, as was his employers situation. It is not lawful to do so as was revealed to me over the internet by Eric. All of this sounds like something that could happen here in the land of truth, the brave, and the free???...$$$$....!!!! When it comes to the far left nuts, who knows what they will try next. Yeah, it appears Sweden has it's nutty element in their society. Goodness knows we have an abundant number here in the U.S. I hope Eric gets all of his troubles solved. I also hope that all of us vote in a way that will protect the Second Amendment. All of this info was sent to me by internet. What a mess....WHAT A MESS! I received three batches of once fired Norma brass from him for 6.5 x 55, 9.3 x 62, and 30-06. The quality was perfectly good brass once cleaned, resized, and trimmed. I fear this may have messed up getting him to go to the range and find me some more brass.

Wow! That's very interesting. I have shot and hunted in Finland and Norway, but not Sweden. My general experience in both Finland and Norway is their guns laws are relatively relaxed compared to some other European countries--but have also hunted in Europe enough to know many countries also have relatively relaxed gun laws, at least compared to what many Americans believe.

When I hunted in Finland it was with a group of both American and European gun writers. One was from France, and among others he owned close to 50 rifles, some of them semi-autos, and several semi-auto handguns....

That is quite interesting, both posts. I would not have expected French laws to allow ownership of that level. I'm glad to hear it but it did surprise me.

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Curious to know if your acquaintance from France had some kind of special privilege or if it is common (feasible) for a typical French citizen to own firearms like your acquaintance.

As I recall, France tightened their laws on semiautomatic firearms after the big Islamic terror incidents in 2015. I don't know the exact details of the current laws though.

I did a little research and it looks like it's possible to own semiautomatic firearms if you have the right permits, but it's not clear how easy it is to get those permits. If you're an IPSC shooter and belong to a club and compete, I think you can own the appropriate pistols, but it's probably more difficult to get an AR-15 or AK-47. I don't think the average person can just walk into a gun store and purchase a Glock.

About a year after 9-11 I was going through security at the airport here in Montana. I had a coat on that I used hunting that fall, and unbeknown to me there was a spent 300 WSM case in the pocket (completely fired, empty, and with punched primer). But TSA had a minor meltdown - they pulled me out of line, did a pat-down, and got a sheriff standing there involved. Looking the sheriff in the eye, I asked all those surrounding me if any of them knew the first thing about firearms. I explained it was left-over from elk hunting that fall, and that was how an empty brass cylinder inadvertently came to be in my pocket. I said, "this is Montana, we hunt elk." The Sheriff was sympathetic, but the TSA acted like I'd just attempted another 9-11 lol. Ultimately they confiscated the "evidence," and let me on the flight. A couple weeks later I got a letter from the FBI detailing my infraction...

With all of the legislation passed(911 aftermath) at the federal level do most people have any idea how our federal govt. can hold us without trial and on and on. Just look at all the stuff that has been going on with people facing charges concerning former President Trump and the alleged insurrection. I have a question. What in the world was in these people's minds,or lack of good sense? This Tennessee guy would never do something like that mess on January 6th. Well.... One unarmed woman was shot to death. Down here in Tennessee, "We the People" know this stuff can happen. Folks, we should know we are to show respect for our reps at the state and federal level. However, I disagree with people who say there was insurrection involved. Vandalism, violent mob, dumbkof, sheep blindly following, stupid......guity of all the above. I just hope we do not ever see this happen again

Yep. Something just over a year after, I was going through Boston, returning home from a business trip. My keyring included the .280 Rem case I shot my first buck with many years before. It was tarnished, even slightly dented around the neck from wear and tear over the years, and there was a tiny ring eye screwed in the primer hole to hang it on the key ring. Mind, I’d flown with it before and had just flown up from FL two days prior with it. As my stuff was going through the scanner, the operator gets all animated, calls over the shift supervisor. That guy gets all authoritarian and demands to know whose keys these are. I acknowledged and he starts acting like I’m trying to slip a weapon through capable of taking out the entire terminal. Police officer and another TSA come over. New TSA turned out to be recently retired military. Supervisor accusingly asks why I was carrying it, so I told him. Sentimental value, pleasant memory with my dad, etc. I asked him what the problem was and he lost his sh-t. I explained the obvious, and asked again what the problem was. He started turning shades of red I hadn’t seen yet. The police officer kind of stepped back with a roll of his eyes and the other TSA picked up my key ring and made a show of examining the case, then pronounced it harmless and inert and said it wasn’t a weapon of any kind. That got him a scolding whereupon he was instructed to confiscate it and the supervisor walked away, swaggering like he’d averted something terrible.
The sympathetic TSA removed the case from my key ring and motioned me down to the end of the line and quietly told me to write down my address on a slip of paper. He pocketed the slip of paper and I got my case back about a week later.
None of that surprises most of us, given the idiocy among those ignorant about firearms and related items in the 20+ years since. At the time, I was startled to being shocked.
The case is now on a shelf in my den, no longer on my key ring.

About the same time I was returning from Europe through the Frankfurt air port. There was a very heavy police presence. The person at the inspection station asked me if I had anything that could be used as a weapon, I handed him my swiss army knife. He laughed and pointed to his MP5 and said"This is a weapon, that is a pocket knife" I saw TSA in Memphis confiscate 2 cap pistols from a 5 year old. The world is ending one day at a time

I’ve made it through airport scanners with knives and multi tools, as well as live rounds, all by accident. I didn’t even know until I was at my destination.

Other times I get my bag searched because they saw an empty casing or an unloaded bullet, buried at the bottom of my bag.

Once at Fairbanks International I was headed to Barrow with some research equipment in checked baggage. Pipes attached to electronic temperature readers, data loggers, etc. It honestly looked like pipe bombs on the scanner. TSA called for me, brought my bag over, opened it, shook his head and then put them back in my bag and I was on my way.

There’s a lot of subjectivity with TSA workers. I’d imagine a lot worse than a live round sometimes gets through.

Wife’s friend was sitting in her seat at 30,000 feet and reached into her purse for something when she realized she forgot to remove her .357 before going through security. 😬

Needless to say she didn’t say a thing to anyone and everyone survived.

I had a female friend do the same - but she didn't discover it until going back through TSA on her way home after two weeks away. It was a huge problem, that cost a lot of money and court appearances to get through.

A friend of mine, who's a public relations guy in the firearms industry, had a carry-on duffle bag with a stiff plastic plate in the bottom. We made a trip to New Zealand together in 2007, flying of out of LAX, and when we returned the TSA people found a fired .30-30 case under the plastic plate. The interesting thing was that he hadn't taken a .30-30 to NZ, and in fact hadn't traveled with a .30-30 in around 2-3 years--and the LAX TSA folks hadn't found it when we checked in to fly over to NZ. (Luckily, he didn't have much trouble.)

One of the airports I've had some trouble with is Minneapolis-St. Paul International. On two consecutive trips to somewhere further east I was called down to the TSA office because my GUN CASE showed traces of fired smokeless powder during their tests. I had to go down in the underground baggage area to open the case and so they could--what? Make sure the case had fired guns inside? They admitted everything was legal, but didn't apologize--even though in the second instance I missed my scheduled flight to Montana.

I asked the TSA once what they were swabbing for and he replied gunpowder residue. I said that considering I was returning from a hunting trip and I did a bit of shooting that I’d be surprised if it didn’t alert to residue since I never wipe my case down. He said “we’ll see”. When his machine didn’t alert and everything was locked back up I told him that machine was really making me feel safer and it’s obviously reliable….

Dipshits.

I just flew to Florida with my Glock 19 and the African albino Oreo swabbed the hell out of it…I’ve never had such a thorough swabbing of my case. It didn’t alert either. The vanilla Oreo proceeded to tell me that I didn’t need to break my pistol down and I replied that it was easier than having them mess with my pistol since it was easier for non-gun familiar folks to see that it’s not a “threat”.

I always fly with guns and have never once had any trouble. One time in New Orleans I was called back to the gate so the cop could fingerfuck my model 36 because he liked it for a backup but that was simply a PIA for me for a few minutes of hustling. They kept saying “everything is fine” Joe Dipshit just wanted to ask you about it. I said are you kidding me?…I have afucking flight to catch so please immediately lock my case up in my presence so I can rejoin my family at the gate. He apologized but I was a little annoyed by his dumbfuckery!

AcesNeights,

Very interesting!

Which is yet another example of how much TSA "experts" vary.

Another interesting experience occurred when Eileen and I flew to the Czech Republic in 1993 to hunt red stag. This was when the Soviets had just left, and the line-up in the airport included several Romanians with Volkswagen bug-size bags full of T-shirts with logos like "San Francisco 57ers". But there was also an orchestra from somewhere, with lots of instruments in various cases. The head customs agent waved me and my gun case through, apparently because it could have held a trombone.

When we got to the other side, the outfitter's driver asked (using hand signals, and a little English) if we had the correct "papers." We obvisously didn't, so he took us back inside and the customs agent took us to the police station back inside, which provided our "papers."

Also once flew to Hermosillo, Mexico for a Coues deer hunt. When we landed, it turned out the then-president of Mexico had landed just before us. We were told our rifles would take a while to process--by a group of very young Mexican soldiers. They escorted us out to the parking lot with their AR-15s, suggesting we check into our motel and have dinner before coming back to retrieve our rifles. We did as suggested--and it worked out OK!

I have spent time as an Airport Manager. What you experienced there was absolutely a left wing TSA staff.

Every TSA station in the country finds both fired and unfired rounds in hunting backpacks. It happens ALL THE TIME. I guarantee that airport you visited has a large bowl of bullets in the back room. As well as knives and other contraband.

So many of the tribal democrats posing as security agents don’t know their butts from apple butter that nothing they do would surprise me. Free to move about the country?

Years ago flew from Detroit to Oklahoma the Oklahoma Bombing was several weeks prior no checked luggage just a brief case and a small carry on bag no problem....on the way back I was searched and my bag and case were rubbed with a chemical cloth to check for explosives....it was like yelling "bomb" when the machine gave a reading they shut down the check line grabbed me put on handcuffs shuffled me and my baggage to a small room asked what was in the bags I said nothing....they opened the bag and found nothing but paper work and clothes....one officer took out a knife and was going to cut the outside cover of my alligator brief case told him if he cut it there would be a law suit and the case cost more than he made in a month....
After a lot of talking and 20 minutes later what had happened was my brief case was next to my loading bench for several days and I was loading shotgun shells....some powder must have got on the brief case and with how rough alligator is stayed on the case in the small crevasse....
After that I made sure to keep everything away for the loading area that was going on a plane....

Interesting stories - all of them.
If "Eric" has any 9.3x64 brass, I could sure use some.

If you think reloading/shooting causes explosive residue issues......working in an underground mine that used a semi-load of explosives/blasting agent every week ensured that you'd get grilled and further screened at the airport, your bags would get dumped out and each item inspected, especially your boots. Never missed a flight on account of it though.

Had a similar event happen in 2018 when I flew into Zambia in 2018.

A VIP (never found who) landed at the same time. The whole situation was high stress, and horribly unorganized. Going through immigration and customs was interesting to say the least.

1. Would not let our outfitter in, so I was dealing with getting my rifles and ammo through myself.
2. Customs did not have any of my pre filed paperwork, so I provided the copies I had made. They needed their copy, so I said go ahead. Ah, but I had to pay for the copies. Get the rifles cleared.
3. Left the ammo tax to bring it into the country. No customs staff knew what the heck was going on. I told them the amount I needed to pay. No clue. Outfitter finally sneaks in. I explain everything. We wait for about 15 minutes and the outfitter finally says, let's go. We take off and have a great hunt.

4. On the flight out, you guessed it. Big deal was made that I did not pay the ammo tax. Outfitter immediately pulls the supervisor aside. They try to separate my wife and I. I refuse, and they take us in to another room. Outfitter comes in and says let's go. The supervisor personally walks my wife and I through security. Outfitter would not say how much it cost to solve that situation. Africa being Africa and all.

I used to fly with my full size letherman supertool on my belt, LOL. after 911 I always thought umm why don't we just essentially close down travel that enters from the middle east or of people from middle east citizenship? All we had to do is just do extreme vetting on those people before letting them in the country. the cockpit doors on the planes should have always been secured anyways. oh yeah remember it was george W that did all this to us. in hindsight a pretty pathetic president.

Deer Lake CA (Newfoundland) - leaving! "there's a loose round in your bag" - OK, they make me tear the bag apart. I showed them my box of .300 Savage with all the rounds in it (since Air Canada had lost my rifle on the way up I ended up shooting my moose with a borrowed .30-06). Nope, run it through again. Still there. Finally under the little flap at the bottom of my day pack I find a .257 Roberts round. It had to have been 5 years since I'd carried that rifle deer hunting. In the meantime that pack had been a carry on to England, Germany, Turkey and Canada (on the way in 5 days before!) and numerous US airports.

A few years ago my wife and I were flying out of Toronto to go "down east" to vist our eldest son and wife in New Brunswick. I was wearing my camo hunting jacket and at the checkout had to remove it to let it go through the machine. Sure enough, there was an empty cartridge case that showed up - a .458 Win. Well, they couldn't find it in the jacket with its multi pockets within pockets. So I tried, and felt it but couldn't find what pocket it was in! So, along comes a big tall man, grabs my coat and rips the case out! I told him to keep it as a souveniir. . . we all had a laugh, and were on our way. To this day, I don't know how the case ended up where it did, and can't find any harm to the jacket! Yeah, I shoot a lot of .458 Win.

Bob
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I owned & operated a Courier business for a number of years. I had many experiences with TSA. Much of their training is OJT. I could tell some interesting stories, but you guy might "hurt yourselves laughing".

In the years 1990-91, my family and I lived near London. In my English home preparing for a visit back to the USA, I was backing my duffel when I noticed a container in a side pocket. Turned out to be a 5-pack of 12-ga buckshot. That pack had been in the duffel for several years. There is no telling how many times that bag with the buckshot had made transatlantic flights without ever being a problem.

Late that evening I drove over the Thames and threw the package out the window into the river.

Times have changed.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love & a sound mind."
2 Timothy 1:7

I traveled to Argentina fly fishing the spring after 9-11. I had a fly box in my carry on bag that had small dry flies, mostly size 16 and 18. TSA freaked out to the point that you would have thought I was carrying a whale harpoon. Idiots.

Around 2000 I was flying back to the U.S. from Namibia via London. Transferring planes at Gatwick and having just taken my seat on the jumbo jet, a rather large British officer in full armor jerked my butt off the plane and took me to a room to inspect my checked baggage (which included my declared FN 30-06 bolt gun). Unlocking my luggage, he pulled out the fired cartridge case I'd intentionally put in the luggage as a souvenir of the big Kudu I'd shot with it. Apparently an extreme violation of something (a single fired case, locked in luggage, stowed in the belly of the plane)! Miraculously I didn't miss my flight.

This would have also been 2 years after 9/11. My 8th grade son was going on a school sponsored trip to Washington DC for 3 days. We dropped him off early one April morning to get on the charter bus and realized he didn't pack a jacket. It's warm enough here in April to rarely need one, but I knew he would very likely need one in DC. I had an old fleece jacket behind the seat of my pickup that I grabbed and gave to him.

When he got home, he apologized for having to throw a shotgun choke tube in the trash. He had found it in my pocket and when approaching a metal detector to get inside of a museum he wisely trashed it.

Last summer my wife and I were seeing the sights in Boston. I chose to carry a small sub 3" cheap pocketknife just in case I ran into a similar situation. When we tried to board the USS Constitution I walked into a room with a metal detector. There was no trash can and a one-way line with no good way to back out. Sure enough I set off the detector. When I pulled the knife out and gave it to the Sailor there working security he opened the blade, gave it a quick look, closed the blade and gave it back to me. "That's not a knife, just keep it in your pocket and enjoy your visit" he said.

I was flying in and out of Charlotte NC on a fairly regular basis for a while. This was a set of business trips that had been unplanned and I didn't have luggage for it, so I repurposed my old range bag for the extra clothing. Every time I got in line to go home, I'd get yanked out and have my luggage swabbed.

I finally got to know the TSA dude that was doing the checks. He said that my boarding pass was being tagged by the TSA for spot checks. WT?

Then it hit me. I'd been carrying gobs of ammo, spent brass, pistols, etc. in that bag for years carrying it to the range. I mentioned it to the TSA dude. He chuckled and said I should probably find new luggage. I did before the next trip out and I never got tagged again.

No, the only "regulation" for a citizen had to buy a firearm in France was to have a hunting license or a shooting sport license, depending depending on the type, function and magazine capacity of the weapon. (But there is no "right to bear arms.")

From the research I've done since, apparently that hasn't changed much, despite the Paris incident--which happened shortly after our hunt. Instead the biggest problem in France is a major increase in the number of illegal arms, which are apparently smuggled across one part of their border.

A year or two after 9-11 we traveled to Fairbanks, while there my wife picked up 3 books of gopher matches at one of the restaurants there. No problem at Fairbanks but when we tried to board our connecting flight in Seattle a TSA guy stopped her and asked what she was doing with them; she said she collected them and he told she could keep one and we got on.

I've always suspected his lighter had gone empty and he needed a light for his next smoke break.

I'll share my story. 2-3 years ago we were flying from Knoxville to Wyoming heading to Yellowstone and Tetons. I have 3-4 daypack size backpacks that I use hiking and woods bumming. I loaded one of them as a carry on and carefully packed all the forbidden items in my suitcase as checked baggage.

Arrived at the airport, checked my suitcase, headed for security. Put all my items on the conveyor, headed through the scanner. Scanner didn't alert but saw a congregation of TSA agents around a backpack. My backpack. Given I checked the pack before the trip was curious what the confab was about. Was summoned by a stern looking, crewcut TSA agent and lead back into a side room. He proceeded to produce 10 loaded, 357 shells that were tucked in a hidden zippered pocket. I thought I was headed to jail, terrorist camp, the Gulag, somewhere.

Dude says "We found these 9 shells in your backpack". I looked at his hand and said there's 10 shells. He repeated over the top of his glasses "I found these 9 shells in your backpack". Then he cracked a smile and said "There is obviously only 9 because if there are 10 I need to do alot of paperwork and detain you till I'm done". I said I apparently I can't count and yes sir there is only 9 shells. We both chuckled, he put them in an envelope, and said "have a good trip." I was 'detained' about 5 mins.

One of the reasons I like living in TN - they get 2nd amendment and don't assume everyone with a gun or bullets is a terrorist. Concealed carry here is really interesting. I know more women that carry down here then men I knew when I lived in PA. Best not to be a jackass down here, nicest people on the planet- until you start being stupid. Then you'll have an issue.

Yes. Long gone are the days when I flew from Seattle to Dulles with three rifles as carry on. The nice stewardess put them in the crew coat closet.

The ticket agent at the Spokane Airport had me remove all of my ammo from the box and load it into my magazines….at the ticket counter. I stood there and loaded 5 17-round pistol magazines. I told the people waiting in line that “you can never be too careful!”.

Here's a summary of how firearms laws work in France. I found this description on Reddit and it was posted about a year ago. It's definitely much more complicated than what we deal with in the US.



French Gun Law 101 (How to get an AR-15 in France, 2023)
Hello everyone !

I thought some of you would be interested in how other country are ruling the AR-15 (and other weapons). In that case my country : France

So we will focus on the way to get an AR-15, but with some detail on the side laws.

I'll be the more straightforward as I can and add some info later in annexes and comment if needed.

Italic is optionnal, just little commentary along the way

BOLD is for major informations

There is around 5.4 millions registered weapons in France

989 000 Registered Hunter

240 000 Sport Shooters

Categories

Weapons in France are listed in one of the 4 main types :

Type A Illegal for civilians Automatic, Explosives,Pistols with mags greater than 21 rounds, Rifles with mag greater than 30 rounds
Type B Authorization needed Semi automatic weapons (pistols or rifles) or weapons using "military rounds"
Type C Declaration needed "Hunting" rifles, Lever action rifles, bolt action that do not use "military" ammo
Type D Legal to buy Black powder weapons not using metalic cartridges, taser, pepper spray, knife, air guns
Military rounds are : 7,62 × 39 / 5,56 × 45 (.223) / 5,45 × 39 / 12,7 × 99 / 14,5 × 114

And also nearly all pistol rounds, 9 x 19 / .38 /.357 / .45 ACP...

The categories are a little more complex than that as there is Sub-categories but you get the point
Like you can have a semi-auto shotgun in 3+1 bullet in the chamber and be in the type C.

Who can get what ?

So basically :

You can't get an A (some civilians can but only for very specific sports or for jobs)

To get a B you need a sport shooting licence

To get a C you need a hunting licence or a sport shooting licence

To get a D you need to be above 18 (but you need a valid reason to carry it on you)

AR15 is in B so now that the introduction is done, let's get to it !

1 : Being a Sport shooter
To be a sport shooter you need to register to a shooting range / club approved by the FFTIR ( French Federation of Shooter)

r/ar15 - French Gun Law 101 (How to get an AR-15 in France, 2023)
There you need to pay to be a member, the price depend of the range, mine is about 150€ a year. Some are more expensive, the cheapest I know is 120, the more expensive is 390.

The rent of guns there is usually an extra to pay yearly or each time you ask for one. You cannot keep the gun out of the range.

Once done you will need to learn to shoot, usually you start with 4.5 lead diabolo at 10 meters, then .22LR at 25 meters for pistols and 50 meters for carbine.

r/ar15 - French Gun Law 101 (How to get an AR-15 in France, 2023)
Not all stand have a wide variety of guns, sometimes they can only give you access to air gun (especially smaller ranges). Bigger and more expensive one can have a wide variety of rifles and handguns

Only when you prove that you can stay in target and know the security and parts of the weapon ( MCQ to complete + test at the range) you will get your sport shooting licence.

At this point you can already buy a Type C, so a hunting rifle, including K98, M1903, Winchester M1866 or double barrel shotgun

2 : Asking for the green sheet
So you want a Type B weapon ?

Well this is where the fun begins, you have your licence, nice, so you know your guns basics, know you need to ask the president of the shooting club for the green sheet.

r/ar15 - The Green Sheet
The Green Sheet
It's a favorable opinion where he say that you come regularly the the club, that you know how to handle and store a firearm.

So of course if he do not see you for 5 month and then you ask that you will not get it. The presidents are taking their own responsability so they do not give them to anyone.

Many choose to still apply the old law wich was : 3 shooting session with someone checking your attitude and result on target with 2 month minimum between each session.

That way they can say peacefully that you come regularly and know how to shoot properly.

3 : Asking for the autorizations
Now that you have the Green Sheet wich is usable for 1 year to use for a demand, you need to complete some paperwork

You need to provide the following documents :

ID

Proof of living adress

Proof that you own a safe

Medical certificate

Proof that you were born (don't ask me why)

You shooting licence

The Green Sheet

The document where you ask for the type of weapon

It's the cerfa n°12644, that is where the sub categories comes in :

B1 Handguns not in the other categories
B2a Center fire semi auto rifles with 3 to 11 capacity
B2a bis Center fire semi auto rifles with 3 to 31 capacity
B2b Center fire manual rifles with 11 to 31 capacity
B2c Type C guns but smaller than 22.6 inches rifled
B2d Type C guns but smaller than 22.6 inches smoothbore
B2e Semi auto weapon that looks like an automatic weapon (funny one ey ?)
B2f Smoothbore and rifled pump action but not in 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 20, 24, 28, 32, 36 and 410 and less than 5 cartridges
B3 Airsoft or paintball above 20 Joules
B4 Weapons using military rounds
B5 Weapons element ( upper receiver / BCG)
Military rounds are : 7,62 × 39 / 5,56 × 45 (.223) / 5,45 × 39 / 12,7 × 99 / 14,5 × 114

So an AR15 is in B4, and if you want a upper it's a B5

In the document you need to specify how much of each sub categories you ask for

For the first demand you can only ask 6, the next one you can ask for up to 12

12 B type weapon is the maximum, you cannot have more at your name

C type weapon to not have a maximum, but after 20 the police will ask you to come explain them why you need that much, and every 10 more after that.

Once you have all the documents correclty completed you send it to the Préfecture

I guess it's like your gouvernor's office ?

And then you wait for the autorization to arrive, between a two weeks and 6 months (I got mine in 6 days hihihi)

No response is to be considered a refusal.

Reasons of refusal ?

Having commited a crime (murder, rape, smuggling drugs, torture ...)

Being on the national file of people who do not have the right to buy guns ( FINIADA )

Having a behavior that make people think you can be dangerous ...

Being on the FINIADA is easy, doing airsoft or tactical drills can put you on it, going to cqb training in an other country of the Brutalitty Matches for example.

4 : Using the autorizations
Wow you got your autorization ? Congratulation !

Now you have 6 month to use them and buy the guns you want, after that they are expired and you need to do all other again.

Once completed when you bought the gun, they are valid for 5 years, so you will need to ask again every 5 years to keep your weapons

4.1 : Buying ammo
Ammo also have categories ...

But it's easier I promise !

B type ammo The military ones + pistol rounds, remember ? Limited to 1000 at the same time, 2000 max during a year
C type ammo All the others, 22LR, 308, 300BLK, 8x57JS, 30-06 ... Limited to 1000 at the same time
Military rounds still are : 7,62 × 39 / 5,56 × 45 (.223) / 5,45 × 39 / 12,7 × 99 / 14,5 × 114

You need to bring your autorization to the armorer for B type ammo buying, to keep track of how much you did buy. For C type, your licence is enough

But what happens if you use your 2000 ammo ? Well there is no limit on Components, so go buy some brass, powder and a press and reload at home, only a 2kg of powder stock limit and that's it !

4.2 : Buying magazines
Pretty easy, proof that you have a weapon using this magazine (the autorization).

Then you can buy up to 10 mags per weapon.

Technically only the 10 round magazines are OK, putting a 20 ou 30 rounder in the AR outside of a shooting range is an offense.

4.3 : Storage and transport
Type B must be stored in a safe, ammo in a safe, but not the same safe.

There is no such thing as home defence here, if you use a gun on someone that broke into your home, you will need to prove that your life was at risk, and that you had the time to get the gun from the safe, but not the time to call the cops and lock yourself out of danger.

Considering the safe and all, that is a little hard to imagine.

For the transport, in case of control you need your autorization on you, the gun but be in a case, with a device preventing it to be used (either BCG removed or a trigger lock). Ammo stored someplace else, but not in the guncase

The magazines are to be loaded only at the range.

5 : Optics / Suppressor...
Optics : You can buy what you want, but not night vision optics, well you can but it need to be hand held, if you glue it to an helmet or a gun it's illegal

Laser : There is a power limit, 1mW, above it's illegal

Suppressor : It was illegal until 2018, now any hunter or sport shooter can buy anything

6 : Oddity
Just a small compilation of silly things :

.300 BLK is considered a hunting round, like the .308, but the .223 is not.

I can buy 20 K98 with 1000 round with only a shooting licence after a single month but need to wait around 6 month for a 22LR pistol

Weapons that "look like an automatic weapon" is in a higher categorie

The cop that control you are the one to decide if the reason you have a weapon on you is valid or not

Putting a 20 round magazine at home is an offense that can get them take all my guns

So that is basically it, if you have more question like ranges availability, distances, the disciplines we do and [bleep] like that feel free to ask.

I may add some infos later if needed.

Have a nice day !

You are what's called a "repeat offender".

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Aces, Let me assure you that TSA agents are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I had a husband-wife team in one of my houses for 18 years. They were constantly aggravating me about the pool that they were obligated to take care of. One day last year, they cornered me out in the backyard and tried to double team me. I let them talk for a while. (I was quietly steaming about that and had been considering selling the house for several months because prices had gotten so incredibly ridiculous).

They went on and on about the pool and how they had not been able to swim in it for a while. I told them "You have lived in this house for 18 years. It has been your responsibility since Day One to care for this pool. I have given you $48,000 in rent credits over those 18 years because you pay your rent on time. That's enough to put both your kids and both of you through college if you watched your pennies. I will be sending you a notice to vacate in a couple of days, as I am selling the house. You will have 60 days to find yourself another place to live. Good bye". They found another house west of there for $1000/mo more. Never spoke to them again and kept their deposit to revitalize the pool.

Some people do not recognize a gift horse when it's licking all over their face. I was totally tired of their b.s. and sold the house for 5 times what I paid for it + $40k.

Final note:

I got letters from TSA every year asking about them. I always gave them glittering reviews. These inquiries covered everything from alcoholism to pedophilia. 😇

This is the reason I have separate bags "with guns and ammo" and "without guns and ammo".

Have heard too many of these types and horror stories.

Not so many years ago one of our engineers was flying from Frankfurt to Cairo. He was carrying a piece of sheet metal that was needed for a project and was a fairly delicate piece due to the dimensions and shape. They would not let him on the plane. He was making a fuss about it and finally the pilot came to see what the hold up was. My friend told the pilot, Lufthansa, that if it was a BOAC flight the pilot and crew would not be afraid of a flat metal sheet. The pilot took it from him, said he would put in in the cabin and told him to get on the plane. Sometimes national pride helps.

Back in the 1980s, my dad bought a Japanese sword at a show in Chicago. He didn’t want to check it, so they told him, “just give it to the pilot.” When he got to the X-ray, he held it up and said, “they told me to give this to the pilot.” Security waved him around the X-ray. He boarded the plane and decided he wanted to hold it himself. Halfway through the flight, he started to feel like holding the katana between his knees was awkward during the drink service. He called over the stewardess and asked her what he should do. She gasped and said, “Oh gosh! You were supposed to give that to the pilot!” So she sent him up to the cockpit to drop it off with the pilot.

In 2008 I was returning from Zim with my .470 N.E. and .416 Rigby. I did not bring any ammunition back. Cleared customs with no issues and then was advised to take my rifles to the domestic counter and recheck them there to my home destination. I was stopped on my way to the domestic terminal (a short walk that did not require leaving the airport) by a NY transit cop who told me that if I left the international terminal with the rifles I would be arrested for violating the Sullivan law. I showed him my ID card from the law enforcement agency I had honorably served with and my current qualification card pursuant to HR 218/18USC 926 (c), The transit cop saiid that was only good for handguns and these were rifles, again threatening me with arrest. Finally, an NYPD Sergeant came by, asked me to come with him and he walked me to the domestic counter and assisted in getting my rifles checked in to my home destination.

I will never transit the JFK airport with rifles again, Quite frankly, I can see no good reason to ever go to NYC in the first place, though I have carried a handgun there previously with no issues.

In the early 1960's my parents were divorced and lived on opposite coasts. I lived on the East coast and my father on the West coast. When I would travel to the west coast I would bring my .30/06 Winchester Model 70 with me. I carried it in a padded. zipper case and handed it to the stewardess who would put it in the pilot's coat closet and hand it back to me when we reached our destination. No muss, no fuss, no runs, no hits, no errors and no men left on base. A far cry from the PITA we sometimes face today.

En route, we would be given the ground speed, the wind speed, wind direction, the current time, and distance to the Alamo. If you got the time, within a minute, that we were abeam the Alamo, you were given a bottle of champagne. It was not a complex calculation and more often than not, despite being only 14 years old, I would disembark the aircraft with my Winchester Model 70 and a bottle of champagne. It was a far simpler time! And BTW, God bless National Airlines!