Imagine the level of civility and respect we’d see in ur day to day lives if everyone with a lick of decency carried and knew how to use a concealed handgun?
Those who don’t learn from the mistakes of others would be culled quickly I expect, and the rest would learn manners.
I disagree. The shooter had been standing around minding his own business when he was spontaneously delivered a potentially fatal blow to the head. He was in a very justifiable state of anxiety with regard to further assault. The puncher’s actions also put the victim in a state of diminished reasoning ability.
The threat was still there, it’s not like the guy who punched him ran off. He could just as well have been planning to go after the guy and finish the job. The shooter was perfectly justified in using whatever means at his disposal to ensure that he had ended the life threatening behavior of his assailant.
Do you think you’re only justified in using a gun if your assailant is using a gun?
Another good lesson in this video is how long it took for the guy who got shot to go out of action. It was a fatal hit, but no CNS damage; probably took out the big blood vessels above the heart, but if the guy had been armed with a gun he could have been able to let go with a few shots before he was completely out of action. Lesson being, shoot until they stop moving.
I disagree. The shooter had been standing around minding his own business when he was spontaneously delivered a potentially fatal blow to the head. He was in a very justifiable state of anxiety with regard to further assault. The puncher’s actions also put the victim in a state of diminished reasoning ability.
The threat was still there, it’s not like the guy who punched him ran off. He could just as well have been planning to go after the guy and finish the job. The shooter was perfectly justified in using whatever means at his disposal to ensure that he had ended the life threatening behavior of his assailant.
Do you think you’re only justified in using a gun if your assailant is using a gun?
Good luck with that defense!
Deadlines and commitments, what to leave in, what to leave out...
I disagree. The shooter had been standing around minding his own business when he was spontaneously delivered a potentially fatal blow to the head. He was in a very justifiable state of anxiety with regard to further assault. The puncher’s actions also put the victim in a state of diminished reasoning ability.
The threat was still there, it’s not like the guy who punched him ran off. He could just as well have been planning to go after the guy and finish the job. The shooter was perfectly justified in using whatever means at his disposal to ensure that he had ended the life threatening behavior of his assailant.
Do you think you’re only justified in using a gun if your assailant is using a gun?
I disagree. The shooter had been standing around minding his own business when he was spontaneously delivered a potentially fatal blow to the head. He was in a very justifiable state of anxiety with regard to further assault. The puncher’s actions also put the victim in a state of diminished reasoning ability.
The threat was still there, it’s not like the guy who punched him ran off. He could just as well have been planning to go after the guy and finish the job. The shooter was perfectly justified in using whatever means at his disposal to ensure that he had ended the life threatening behavior of his assailant.
Do you think you’re only justified in using a gun if your assailant is using a gun?
Good luck with that defense!
Yeah, that ain't gonna fly. Once you disengage, you lose the right to reinitiate force of any kind, let alone deadly. If he drew and fired in the midst of the struggle, he'd have been justified under the law. Once you disengage, you are legally in the wrong to reengage.
Regardless, good outcome as to the sucker puncher. Sad outcome regarding the shooter. Hopefully, extenuating circumstances will reduce it to "heat of passion manslaughter" instead of murder, and he gets a very short sentence, perhaps even time served.
Me neither. Regardless of the technicalities of the law, that guy had it coming, and it would be an injustice for the shooter to serve much if any time behind bars.
The shooter was a victim of a simple assault. He left the building and was out of danger. The assailant (punk ass bitch) didn’t pursue him. The shooter made a bad decision to punish the guy who hit him. Certainly, the fact that he just got punched will mitigate what he did, but he took someone’s life who was not a threat to him at the time. My guess is that he won’t be charged with murder but will likely face manslaughter charges. If he’d gone back in there and beat the hell out of the guy who punched him, we’d all consider that appropriate. But like it or not, this ain’t the old west. Decisions have consequences.
Deadlines and commitments, what to leave in, what to leave out...
Dude forgot that his victim gets a vote in the response. Attacker chose poorly lol.
Seems to be out of the country tho - one of the commenters said they never actually found the shooter guy. Were it here, a school (school resource cop) - they'd know.
He's guilty of NOTHING. Totally justified! He should walk away with a thank you.
This ^^^ peoples need to act right
I hate rude behavior in a man.
I recognize the movie line. break, what's with the picture?
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Yup. Here the cowards do this to women walking down the street. Wish it would have the same ending here. It would make these ass clowns think twice before attacking people for no reason
That looked like the knock out game to me. I knew some kids years ago that played that game at bars. And then brag about it at work. Rich kids. Just f ucking stupid. I don't think the shooter was a coward, I think he was prepared.
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A 380 in my pocket is better than a 45 in my truck!
Violence may not be the best option... but it's still an option.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mad Dog Mattis
Deadly force met with deadly force, no break in the action, and a dead perp. Good deal.
The news piece on it states it started at the liquor store counter and continued. After being punched the victim (with head full of cobwebs) put a bystander between himself and the assailant to conceal his draw, not knowing whether his assailant was going to attack a third time...
In a reasonable state of fear he capped his ass.
I wish that would be considered a good shoot.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Jesus is instructing a young man on the necessity to change the batteries in a smoke detector when it starts to chirp.
allrighty then,,
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Deadly force met with deadly force, no break in the action, and a dead perp. Good deal.
The news piece on it states it started at the liquor store counter and continued. After being punched the victim (with head full of cobwebs) put a bystander between himself and the assailant to conceal his draw, not knowing whether his assailant was going to attack a third time...
In a reasonable state of fear he capped his ass.
I wish that would be considered a good shoot.
So it wasn’t the “knock out” game and it happened out of the country (chitcongo)
I think someone said that earlier
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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
Jesus is instructing a young man on the necessity to change the batteries in a smoke detector when it starts to chirp.
Prob’ly a Jehova’s Witness or maybe a 7th Day Adventist with Jesus Hisself showing up like that, Catholics woulda just offered it up.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
Deadly force met with deadly force, no break in the action, and a dead perp. Good deal.
The news piece on it states it started at the liquor store counter and continued. After being punched the victim (with head full of cobwebs) put a bystander between himself and the assailant to conceal his draw, not knowing whether his assailant was going to attack a third time...
In a reasonable state of fear he capped his ass.
I wish that would be considered a good shoot.
I did a brief search to see if there was any follow up on the shooting, and all that duck duck go came up with, was that the shooter was wanted for questioning by Chicago PD.
So maybe a de facto "good shoot"? Depending on just how hard the PD was looking for the individual.
Upper torso hits. Very deadly. In 2012 I shot a guy in Iraq in the upper torso with my issued 5.56. He was down and out almost immediately. I don't advocate going around shooting people but sometimes it is justified and this in one such case. Punks doing this knockout crap have killed people and will kill people in the future. Better to just remove them from the gene pool.
You get out of life what you are willing to accept. If you ain't happy, do something about it!
Don't think that sob will sucker punch anyone else.
IMHO if you hit someone like that for no reason, you can’t complain if you get shot, on the scene or some time later.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
The shooter was a victim of a simple assault. He left the building and was out of danger. The assailant (punk ass bitch) didn’t pursue him. The shooter made a bad decision to punish the guy who hit him. Certainly, the fact that he just got punched will mitigate what he did, but he took someone’s life who was not a threat to him at the time. My guess is that he won’t be charged with murder but will likely face manslaughter charges. If he’d gone back in there and beat the hell out of the guy who punched him, we’d all consider that appropriate. But like it or not, this ain’t the old west. Decisions have consequences.
The shooter was a victim of a simple assault. He left the building and was out of danger. The assailant (punk ass bitch) didn’t pursue him. The shooter made a bad decision to punish the guy who hit him. Certainly, the fact that he just got punched will mitigate what he did, but he took someone’s life who was not a threat to him at the time. My guess is that he won’t be charged with murder but will likely face manslaughter charges. If he’d gone back in there and beat the hell out of the guy who punched him, we’d all consider that appropriate. But like it or not, this ain’t the old west. Decisions have consequences.
As the puncher found out.
Jim
The shooter was not the victim of simple assault but rather deadly assault which is an elevated crime everywhere. The fact the guy walked toward the door and fired within seconds shows no break in the action and he can argue he had no idea if more aggression was on its way. Your analysis is weak and contra to the facts as presented in the video. Punk got what he was owed.
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
The shooter was a victim of a simple assault. He left the building and was out of danger. The assailant (punk ass bitch) didn’t pursue him. The shooter made a bad decision to punish the guy who hit him. Certainly, the fact that he just got punched will mitigate what he did, but he took someone’s life who was not a threat to him at the time. My guess is that he won’t be charged with murder but will likely face manslaughter charges. If he’d gone back in there and beat the hell out of the guy who punched him, we’d all consider that appropriate. But like it or not, this ain’t the old west. Decisions have consequences.
As the puncher found out.
Jim
The shooter was not the victim of simple assault but rather deadly assault which is an elevated crime everywhere. The fact the guy walked toward the door and fired within seconds shows no break in the action and he can argue he had no idea if more aggression was on its way. Your analysis is weak and contra to the facts as presented in the video. Punk got what he was owed.
One could argue that the puncher hit the fellow in the dark jacket so hard, he was temporarily unable to defend himself. It also appeared the puncher wanted to continue the life threatening assault, but was slowed down temporarily by bystanders. When the fellow in the dark jacket recovered, he was then able to defend himself against the life threatening assault. "I was in fear for my life".
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
The shooter was a victim of a simple assault. He left the building and was out of danger. The assailant (punk ass bitch) didn’t pursue him. The shooter made a bad decision to punish the guy who hit him. Certainly, the fact that he just got punched will mitigate what he did, but he took someone’s life who was not a threat to him at the time. My guess is that he won’t be charged with murder but will likely face manslaughter charges. If he’d gone back in there and beat the hell out of the guy who punched him, we’d all consider that appropriate. But like it or not, this ain’t the old west. Decisions have consequences.
As the puncher found out.
Jim
The shooter was not the victim of simple assault but rather deadly assault which is an elevated crime everywhere. The fact the guy walked toward the door and fired within seconds shows no break in the action and he can argue he had no idea if more aggression was on its way. Your analysis is weak and contra to the facts as presented in the video. Punk got what he was owed.
Wrong! But that’s OK. Not knowing what you’re talking about doesn’t disqualify anyone on here. Deadly Assault or Aggravated Assault involve the use of a weapon and typically involve serious injury. The shooter got punched with a fist. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts. The guy who threw the punch truly FAFO! I have no sympathy for him but the shooter went well beyond defending himself.
Deadlines and commitments, what to leave in, what to leave out...
I have no problem with the shooter on a personal level but I'm willing to bet the law will in most locals. Happy outcome as far as I'm concerned and I wouldn't be likely to convict him, but ...
You shoot when you are in fear of life or great physical harm. You quit shooting when the attacker quits what he was doing that put you in fear. The attacker had quit attacking several seconds before and although he could still be a threat he wasn't actually advancing on the shooter when he was shot. Even if Chicago has a "stand your ground" law, I doubt they do, the shooter wasn't standing his ground because he left after pulling the trigger. If you believe you are justified don't run away, unless there are more attackers coming after you. When you get somewhere you feel safe call your lawyer and the law to report the incident. Around here you are justified using "equal force". Being punched usually isn't considered a deadly threat but that would be up to the law, the lawyers and the jurors to hash out.
On another note, interesting that some here claimed it happened in a school, some claimed it's been floating around the internet for many years and some claimed it happened in another country. The news clip is from Sept. 3, 2022 in Chicago and states that "it happened Wednesday". Assuming they meant the previous Wednesday that would put it Aug. 31, 2022, not even two years ago yet.
Those who are always shooting off at the mouth usually aren't shooting straight.
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The shooter was a victim of a simple assault. He left the building and was out of danger. The assailant (punk ass bitch) didn’t pursue him. The shooter made a bad decision to punish the guy who hit him. Certainly, the fact that he just got punched will mitigate what he did, but he took someone’s life who was not a threat to him at the time. My guess is that he won’t be charged with murder but will likely face manslaughter charges. If he’d gone back in there and beat the hell out of the guy who punched him, we’d all consider that appropriate. But like it or not, this ain’t the old west. Decisions have consequences.
And that, sir, is too bad! The "old west" was actually much more polite, as a rule.
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Gangbang Jr. the third punched like a bitch. Maybe if his whore of a mother would have kept a man around that little [bleep] could have learned to throw a punch and John Wayne there wouldn’t have been able to get back up to perforate the stupid twat.
Good riddance. Hope the shooter is living a nice peaceful life.
I have no problem with the shooter on a personal level but I'm willing to bet the law will in most locals. Happy outcome as far as I'm concerned and I wouldn't be likely to convict him, but ...
You shoot when you are in fear of life or great physical harm. You quit shooting when the attacker quits what he was doing that put you in fear. The attacker had quit attacking several seconds before and although he could still be a threat he wasn't actually advancing on the shooter when he was shot. Even if Chicago has a "stand your ground" law, I doubt they do, the shooter wasn't standing his ground because he left after pulling the trigger. If you believe you are justified don't run away, unless there are more attackers coming after you. When you get somewhere you feel safe call your lawyer and the law to report the incident. Around here you are justified using "equal force". Being punched usually isn't considered a deadly threat but that would be up to the law, the lawyers and the jurors to hash out.
On another note, interesting that some here claimed it happened in a school, some claimed it's been floating around the internet for many years and some claimed it happened in another country. The news clip is from Sept. 3, 2022 in Chicago and states that "it happened Wednesday". Assuming they meant the previous Wednesday that would put it Aug. 31, 2022, not even two years ago yet.
I'd love to be on this jury, if there is one.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
He suckered the wrong dude. Do you think it was the first time he committed this most cowardly of acts? Do you think it would be the last? I don't. Maybe the next time or two he would have caused death or serious brain damage.
The punk had it coming.
Reminds me of Cooper's 4 stages of awareness. The victim was clearly in condition "White"
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