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45 Colt #19423718 05/01/24
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana R RMiller2 OP Campfire Regular
OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	Loaded up some 265 Swift Aframes 21 N110 for 1200 fps I was hesitant to do these, thinking the velocity would be too slow, until I saw that 1200 is what the Swift factory load was advertised as. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

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Re: 45 Colt

RMiller2 #19424019 05/01/24

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I would proceed with caution with that load. Swift Manual No. 2 doesn't list any loads for the 45 Colt.

Take this for what it's worth. From QL

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  Cartridge          : .45 Colt (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .452, 265, Swift A-F/HP
Useable Case Capaci: 23.992 grain H2O = 1.558 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.580 inch = 40.13 mm
Barrel Length      : 7.5 inch = 190.5 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N110 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   90    16.80   1053     738   17509   4105     76.6    0.956  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-18.0   92    17.22   1081     778   18651   4270     78.1    0.929  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-16.0   94    17.64   1109     819   19869   4434     79.6    0.904  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-14.0   96    18.06   1138     862   21169   4597     81.0    0.879  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-12.0   99    18.48   1166     906   22553   4758     82.3    0.855  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-10.0  101    18.90   1195     951   24038   4918     83.7    0.829  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-08.0  103    19.32   1224     998   25621   5076     85.0    0.805  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-06.0  105    19.74   1253    1046   27316   5231     86.2    0.781  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-04.0  107    20.16   1282    1095   29130   5383     87.4    0.758  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-02.0  110    20.58   1312    1146   31073   5531     88.6    0.736  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  112    21.00   1341    1198   33158   5676     89.7    0.715  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  114    21.42   1371    1252   35397   5816     90.7    0.694  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  116    21.84   1401    1307   37804   5951     91.7    0.674  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  119    22.26   1431    1363   40394   6082     92.7    0.655  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  121    22.68   1461    1421   43186   6206     93.6    0.636  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  123    23.10   1491    1480   46201   6324     94.4    0.618  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    112    21.00   1430    1363   40984   5902     96.3    0.655  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    112    21.00   1233    1012   26544   5184     79.7    0.790  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19424309 05/01/24
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,856 Likes: 2 Lakewood, Colorado MickinColo Campfire Regular
MickinColo Campfire Regular Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,856 Likes: 2 Lakewood, Colorado	One thing I didn't point out, QL is not great with straight walled cartridges, but it should raise a second thought just the same. Last edited by MickinColo; 05/01/24.

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19424724 05/01/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	It is giving me 1200 out of a 5.5 inch barrel which looks like the 25k psi range. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425151 05/02/24
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,856 Likes: 2 Lakewood, Colorado MickinColo Campfire Regular
MickinColo Campfire Regular Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,856 Likes: 2 Lakewood, Colorado	Interesting, SAAMI P Max for the Colt 45 is 14k Last edited by MickinColo; 05/02/24.

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Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425210 05/02/24
Joined: Sep 2021 Posts: 3,070 Illinois Z zcm82 Campfire Tracker
zcm82 Campfire Tracker Z Joined: Sep 2021 Posts: 3,070 Illinois	Standard pressure loads are 14k for 1873s and other vintage designs and repros. Pretty much all the major players (Lyman, HDY, Speer, etc) also list higher pressure data for 45 Colt that ranges from 20-30k, though for stronger, modern guns.

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425308 05/02/24
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,856 Likes: 2 Lakewood, Colorado MickinColo Campfire Regular
MickinColo Campfire Regular Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,856 Likes: 2 Lakewood, Colorado	Very good. When I think of 45 colt I think of 1873 Colts, not Ruger Blackhawks or T/C. When I think of Blackhawks, I think of 44 mag, 454 Casull.

Re: 45 Colt MickinColo #19425314 05/02/24
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zcm82 Campfire Tracker Z Joined: Sep 2021 Posts: 3,070 Illinois	Yeah, I wouldn't want to be hanging onto, or anywhere near a Peacemaker with loads that stiff ☠️

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425481 05/02/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	It is a Ruger Blackhawk. This load isn't even that stiff. I found 325 grain and 340 grain at 1200 using N110, Now those I dont need. Do the quickload with a Jacketed 265 in the 44 mag with N110. Be curios to see what it shows for that. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt

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Originally Posted by RMiller2

It is a Ruger Blackhawk.

This load isn't even that stiff.

I found 325 grain and 340 grain at 1200 using N110, Now those I dont need.

Do the quickload with a Jacketed 265 in the 44 mag with N110. Be curios to see what it shows for that.

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 Cartridge          : .44 Rem. Mag. (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .430, 265, Hornady FP Interl(.444) 4300
Useable Case Capaci: 26.630 grain H2O = 1.729 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.610 inch = 40.89 mm
Barrel Length      : 5.5 inch = 139.7 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N110 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    16.65    990     576   17442   6539     73.5    0.784
-18.0   82    17.06   1015     606   18461   6814     74.9    0.765
-16.0   84    17.48   1041     638   19540   7090     76.3    0.746
-14.0   86    17.90   1067     670   20684   7368     77.7    0.727
-12.0   88    18.31   1093     703   21896   7646     79.0    0.709
-10.0   90    18.73   1120     738   23180   7924     80.3    0.691
-08.0   92    19.15   1146     773   24540   8203     81.6    0.674
-06.0   94    19.56   1173     810   25984   8480     82.9    0.657
-04.0   96    19.98   1200     848   27515   8756     84.1    0.640
-02.0   98    20.39   1228     887   29141   9030     85.3    0.624
+00.0  100    20.81   1255     927   30866   9301     86.5    0.607  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    21.23   1283     968   32700   9569     87.6    0.590  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  104    21.64   1310    1011   34644   9832     88.7    0.574  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0  106    22.06   1338    1054   36692  10091     89.7    0.558  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    22.47   1367    1099   38855  10345     90.7    0.543  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    22.89   1395    1145   41151  10593     91.7    0.528  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    20.81   1343    1062   37585   9895     94.0    0.556  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    20.81   1152     781   24819   8332     76.1    0.664

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Re: 45 Colt zcm82 #19425850 05/02/24
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Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,700 Likes: 5 Oklahoma City	Originally Posted by zcm82 Yeah, I wouldn't want to be hanging onto, or anywhere near a Peacemaker with loads that stiff ☠️ Elmer Keith's early experiments come to mind. 'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett) SotG

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425923 05/02/24
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 400 Boise National Forest, Idaho M mannyspd1 Campfire Member
mannyspd1 Campfire Member M Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 400 Boise National Forest, Idaho	That's a fine bullet. What is your intended use? Regards, Manny

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425944 05/02/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	21 behind a 265 in a 44 is near maximum. 45 colt with the same load should be slightly less pressure and velocity. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19425949 05/02/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	Manny, I would like to shoot an elk with a pistol. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19426058 05/02/24
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 400 Boise National Forest, Idaho M mannyspd1 Campfire Member
mannyspd1 Campfire Member M Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 400 Boise National Forest, Idaho	Perfect! Ive loaded for 45 Colt and 454 Casull for decades. I load probably 10 different bullets lead and jacketed in those calibers for different applications. I hunt elk more than any other big game animal, they live on my property and I see them most every day. For your intended use that bullet would be my first choice. Back when you could get Partitions in .452 I liked them also. Please keep us posted if your successful! Regards, Manny

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19441879 05/09/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	https://www.johnlinebaughcustomsixguns.com/writings “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19446568 05/11/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	Here are some 315 Grain Montana Bullet Works swc and some 300 grain Sierra JFP loaded in the 45 colt. About to go shoot them. Last edited by RMiller2; 05/11/24. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19447144 05/11/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	21 of H110 went 1200 with the 315 MBW SWC. I am going to load more of these. “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

Re: 45 Colt RMiller2 #19451297 05/13/24
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OP RMiller2 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,445 Likes: 2 Montana	Shot some 315 SWC-K-GC with H110 in new Starline brass today. Fed 155 primer 21- 1191, 1216, 1238 21.5- 1246,1254, 1240 22- 1234, 1245,1214 “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” Tolkien

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