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Based on all that I read by you I suggest the H&H Super 30

Federal has some nice bullets loaded up for it here.

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I've talked to some serious wildcatters before about doing something on the nature of what you're talking about and the answer I got was it would be extremely hard to neck down the .300 H&H cartridge and not create a double shoulder case because of the angle of the shoulder. Not that it can't be done, but it'll take an expensive set of dies that do the neck and shoulder at the same time to take a look at it.

I would give CH4D a call 740-397-7214 If it's ever been done he has a model of it in his CNC machine and doesn't mind looking and making suggestions.

Now going up is a different story all together. I was very serious about doing a .338 wildcat off a .300H&H cartridge at one time. I even made mockups.
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I let the idea go after a while though. Like most wildcats, it didn't offer any advantage. Just a lot of extra work.

Another idea might be to neck up a .244 H&H magmun. You would acheive that cool shoulder angle, but you would give up case capacity. It would probably be comparible to a 7-08. Of course buying brass would be a pain in the arse.

Savage99, I've delt with getting obselete cases before. Just because it's listed on a website means nothing.

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Originally Posted by Savage_99
Based on all that I read by you I suggest the H&H Super 30



It is chambered in the 300 H&H (Holland's Super 30) at present as stated in my above post. This will be a rebarreling job.


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The 275 H&H Mag, 280 Ross and 280 Halger do not utilize .284" bullets. The H&H is .287 and I believe the others are .288-9". I have an original box of 275 H&H cartridges, loaded by Eley and those are 160 grain .287".

Also, the cartridge case length isn't the full length of the 300 and 375 H&H (even though the 275 came out roughly the same time as the 375, a little more than a decade before the 300...), it is 2.50".

Here's a letter I received from R. Willkin of H&H:
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HOLLAND & HOLLAND DESIGNED CALIBRES

275 H&H Magnum Belted Rimless


This cartridge was introduced in 1912 (the same year as the 375 H&H Magnum) and was the first of the �7mm� high performance rounds. (Germany followed post WWI with the 7 x 64 Brenneke)

The 275 H&H also marks the beginning of H&H�s regular use of the belted rimless cartridge case for all magazine rifle cartridge designs. The �belt� is a H&H design (and patent) introduced with the 400/375 cartridge of 1904.

Initially available with a variety of bullet weights, later production concentrated on the 160 grain bullet which was capable of carrying sufficient impact energy at the extended range of this high-performance cartridge. However we do still offer a 140 grain loading.

The 275 H&H led directly to the development of many similar cartridges, in particular the 7mm Remington Magnum which is close to a direct copy. The .270 Winchester cartridge has a similar performance.


Bullet weight 160 grains (10,4 gram)
Bullet diameter .287 ins (Note this is not a standard 7mm bullet)
Muzzle velocity 2850 ft./sec. (870 m/sec.)
Muzzle energy 2910 ft./lbs. (3950 Joules)
Service pressure 18.5 tons/sq.in. (3700 bar)
Cartridge case Belted rimless (same basic case as the .300 and .375)
Zeroed @ p.o.a. 200 yards (185 m) with a telescope sight
Trajectory @ 50 yds. + 0.5 in. (13mm)
Trajectory @ 100 yds. + 1.6 in. (41mm)
Trajectory @ 300 yds. - 7.3 in. (185mm)
Trajectory @ 400 yds. - 21.3 in. (540mm)


This was a very high performance round in 1912 but the ballistic table shows how difficult it is to avoid considerable bullet drop at ranges over 300 yards. Wind deflection also becomes a problem at these extended ranges.

Many attempts have (and still are) been made to improve on these ballistics but any improvements are at best marginal and raise the question of shooting at ranges where correct and humane bullet placement cannot be assured.


Currently, the only bullet manufacturers I've found that offer the .287" bullets are Woodleigh and Hawk, both are semi-spitzers, not spitzer. It is my understanding that H&H are getting their bullets from Woodleigh for this cartridge. I do not know who is actually making the ammunition.

Last edited by DPhillips; 04/04/08. Reason: case length info added.

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You'll get about the same effect necking a 300 win mag down to 7mm and life will be easier as you won't need a H&H length action,cheaper brass, etc.But practically speaking you have so many 7mm's of similar capacity today that will perform the same or better that this would be a lot of busy work for no gain.Some I can think of are the 7mm Weatherby,7mmRUM, and the 7mm Dakota, all of which would likely do better than the H&H case necked down.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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