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Bryan Martin IS, I am informed, a "resident" of B.C., however, this is simply not good enough. The ONLY persons who should be allowed to hold a Guide-Outfitter's territory or an Assistant Guide's Licence should be native-born Canadians or maybe native-born B.C.ers and this would go a long way to ending this type of bullschit.

Hunting in B.C. is NOT a "right" that anyone can gain access to by merely paying for a licence, it is a PRIVILEGE and it has not been sufficiently protected or properly administered by any government so far. The financial profits from resource use must be kept strictly in B.C. and this is NOT happening now.

This is NOT a "Canadian-American" issue, I am opposed to ANY foreign "ownership" or involvement in ANY Canadian resource issue, always have been, always will be and I totally oppose "immigration" here in order to gain access to hunting or any other B.C. resource.

At present, several of the finest hunting territories in B.C. are controlled by foreign "owners" and they have exclusive contracts with the local air charter companies. They use CROWN airstrips and yet use these contracts to keep resident hunters out of "their" territories, this is a commonplace activity and it results in foreign hunters having nearly exclusive access to B.C.'s rarest game and best hunting areas.

So, a "band-aid" solution will NOT work here, the entire situation MUST be totally re-vamped and getting rid of scumbags like Bryan Martin is only the first step in that process.

I also want to see foreign fishing on high use lakes and rivers banned totally as this has ruined our ability to catch and keep enough fish for our annual food supply as we formerly did. Some of the watercourses involved would be Kootenay Lake, the Vedder River and the Dean River, among others.

It is time to begin to protect Canada's resources and wilderness from exploitation by foreigners like Martin and we cannot act too quickly in this regard.

The shame of it is that as long as he is allowed to outfit,people will continue to hire him.We have the same situation in Alberta with Lloyd Mcmahon.He has been convicted of several offenses on more than one occasion,but he is allowed to continue outfitting.Worse yet,many people still hire him because he produces big trophies,legally or otherwise.

I can certainly understand why non resident hunters would want to settle in BC.Think about it , is there a better place on this planet to hunt when u look at the variety and abundance of game.I agree , guideing outfits should be owned by native born BCers and preferably people that reside in BC year round.Would like to hear Bryans side of this incident before we lynch him here but highly doubt that would happen.

No, NOT ...Canadian residents..., native-born B.C.ers ONLY and THEY must reside here, year-'round. ANY jackazz can get "Canadian" residency or even our degraded citizenship, so, there HAS to be much tighter control over who can obtain a GO territory.

As to Martin's ...side... of this situation, this is the SECOND time he has been CONVICTED, not merely charged; I have utter contempt to him, do not want him in my country and he WILL be out of the GO business, no matter what it takes!

So a baby born to recent immigrants to B.C.(and Canada for that matter) would be allowed to outfit when they are old enough to hold an outfitters permit,yet a person born in another province that has lived in B.C. for 30 or 40 years,can't?That is about the silliest thing that I have ever heard.

Funnier yet is the plan by a Canadian mining company to dig a monster copper, moly and lead mine at the headwaters of the richest fishing area in Alaska. because they are Canadians their standards of proof of ability to pay for environmental problems is LESS than for an American company...

Kutenay's rant reminds me of the story of the old-time Maine resident that died after spending the last 95 of his 98 years in the same small town. His obit read "He was almost one of us."
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Did not read the whole site here, but there are several factual errors in what I did read...
http://www.aktrekking.com/pebble/facts.html
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Oh GAWD! Theres' that Mcmahon NAME again!!
the fines he paid were but a pittance of what he was making, it was actually worth his while to keep geting caought , as he was still allowed to operate!
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Very relevent to the topic of an outfitter busted twice in 2 years...

Was responding to the strayed talk of barring immigrants from guiding. Did not realize the Canadian forum here was held to different standards...
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The opinions of a foreigner on anything in B.C. are NOT relevant to OUR decisions, period. Such arrogant comments typify the attitudes of a cetain type of American where B.C. resources are concerned; I am simply amused by the ...rant...reference, as that is how they usually attempt to discredit those who DARE to want to protect OUR land, water, wildife and so forth.

This is a B.C. issue and it must and WILL be dealt with by those of us who OWN this Province and all that it contains. If, it becomes necessary to eliminate all non-resident hunting here, so be it, the decision is OURS and OURS ALONE. As it happens, NO, an American who comes here and lives here is NOT ...one of us...and NEVER will be, "love it or shove it", I really don't care.

Many of the largest property owners in B.C.were not born in Canada,let alone B.C..And whether you like it or not,many of them have more influence than you do.

So whom would be more miserable, I wonder... the Americans forced to return to the US, or Canadians forced to return if the US retaliated in kind?

And which is the larger group? Yeah, it is Canadians in the US and by a sizeable margin, I bet...
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Canada vs America...what a original thread...

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No, not exactly... You question how I could possibly post something as similar as resource development in AK by Canadians toward posts railing against resource development in Canada by Americans...

I make the point that Canada and the US have many shared citizens. It was not intended as a slam, nor a challenge, but rather citing the length of the tentacles such rules could create. I apologize if you find that offensive. It was not my intent.

I simply find zenophobia amusing and do not practice it.
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Anyone who believes this issue would be solved by only having "Canadian born" people own and operate these outfits is TOTALLY missing the point.

The illegal behavior is brought on by greed, and the ever growing obsession to have the highest B&C score, no matter what.
This behavior is not exclusive to American's.
Im sure there are plenty of Canadians who break wildlife laws on a regular basis.

Instead of "big talk" on the internet bashing non residents, or residents, or native born residents why don't you work on making wildlife offenses more than a slap on the wrist?

Thats part of what I am working on here in Oregon, and personally I don't care where a poacher is from. I just care that the theiving SOB isn't going to do it again.

Not offended...Just being a smart ass

I couldn't agree with Kootenay more, it is a BC resource and the management of it should be in the hands of British Columbians. BC hunting regulations place all sorts of restrictions on who can and can't hunt in British Columbia, I see no problem with placing restrictions on who can become a guide outfitter. In fact it wouldn't bother me at all if all foreigners were prohibited from hunting in British Columbia and I am hearing more and more from resident hunters with the same sentiments. It is only a matter of time.

I have concerns over the use of a publically held resource by one as a source of his income when he is allowed exclusive use to an area. Here in Sask a landowner is not legally able to charge a fee for hunting but individuals are granted exclusive outfitting rights to huge areas. Many of these individuals are not residents of the province let alone citizens.
In some areas where there is a need for a considerable investment in an outfitting business it may have some merit but when an outsider has exclusive outfitting use of tens of thousands of square miles and no investment in tents, cabins, horses, specialised vehicles etc but rather sets clients up in a motel then something is wrong.

I expect a change in governing party once the Olympics brouhaha is over with and this will probably be the N.D.P. At THAT point, it will be VERY simple to deal with this situation and lobbying BOTH B.C. Liberal and N.D.P. politicians NOW will greatly assist in cleaning up the entire Guide-Outfitter business.

Another aspect of this is to investigate Martin's status relevant to Canadian citizenship and lobby to have him declared "persona non grata"in Canada and then he would have to return to the U.S.A. This would also warn other GOs that we WILL NOT tolerate this type of bullschitt and WILL take action against them.

I will be phoning the Wildlife Branch HQ in Victoria this coming week and also may do an article on this situation for the "Vancouver Sun" and REALLY rouse the public....guys like Martin are the PAST and we don't need scum like him in Canada, period.

Politicians WILL respond to public pressure on environmental issues right now as it is THE "hot topic" and so a concerted effort by B.C. citizens WILL result in protecting OUR wildlife, fisheries and wilderness, from foreign exploitation or domestic poachers who are also scumbags.