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And what ever happened to FREEDOM of RELIGION???????
If the gays and other deviants can have rights and shove them down our throats why don't the same rules apply to Religious groups. You mean religious groups like Muslims who want to institute Sharia law in thier communities? You know stuff like wife beating, selling children as brides, and holding female servants as sexual, as well as domestic slaves, "temporary" marriages, etc. As far as the deviants go, I would call grown men impregnating 12 year olds pretty deviant. The state of Texas has problems with their case, the fake phone call as PC for the search warrant being the biggest one, but given the history of this cult, it is hard to believe that child abuse isn't happening.
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If somebody faked a phone call from one of my kids saying that it was happening, I fully know it would happen. 100% guaranteed.. probably with M16's and armored vehicles. So far they have had 31 underage mothers into foster care, and 15 have been shown to not be underage. That leaves 16.. in an environment where the girls were never allowed near any outside boys. A cult setting is different than a single family setting. Especially a cult setting where the leader of the cult was on the FBI's most wanted list for a while and is sitting in jail on the exact same charges being presented by a fake phone call. On April 5, 2006, the state of Utah issued an arrest warrant for Jeffs on felony charges of accomplice rape of a teenage girl between 14 and 18 years old.
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White folks have a "history" of enslaving blacks. Christians have a "history" of burning people at the stake. Are all white people and Christians today guilty?
If there's a case, prove it. What some other member of their group did in the past is not at issue here.
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see? i told ya ! moaning, and wailing and gnashing of teeth! 
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men always stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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The system is not perfect, but I prefer it be in fault towards personal liberty.
As I stated in the original post involving this topic, how will YOU feel/deal when there is a false allegation made against YOU? When you are made to pay the price before there is any proof, or conviction in court, how in hell is that any kind of justice? I would imagine all those of you who are for the state having ultimate power to do as they please must be very well off, so that if it happened to you it would be no big deal to come up with the resources to go head to head with state or federal government...who have all the resources anyone could ever imagine.
Since this judgment has come down, I have heard no more breathless hype about how MOST ALL the teenage girls are, or have been, pregnant. Think the news folks might have been spouting a big steamy cloud of schit on this? If what was being reported was even close to the truth we would not be having this discussion.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." TJ
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". EB
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Score one of many to come for the innocent kids. After a couple of indictments, maybe they'll outlaw sex with the underage kids, as well.
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Polygamist Sect Outlaws Underage Marriage After Return of 430 Children
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SAN ANGELO, Texas � Parents of children taken by Texas authorities during a raid on a polygamist sect's ranch began to reunite with their kids Monday, hours after a state district judge ordered the immediate return of more than 400 juveniles, bringing an abrupt end to one of the largest custody cases in U.S. history.
Late Monday, Willie Jessop, an elder for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, said the church won't allow underage girls to marry. Jessop told the AP the new policy will forbid any girl to marry who is not of legal consent age in the state where she lives.
Jessop said the church has been widely misunderstood, but he said the church will not sanction marriages of underage girls and will counsel members against such unions. He insisted marriages within the church have always been consensual.
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Score one of many to come for the innocent kids. After a couple of indictments, maybe they'll outlaw sex with the underage kids, as well.
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Polygamist Sect Outlaws Underage Marriage After Return of 430 Children
Monday, June 02, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas � Parents of children taken by Texas authorities during a raid on a polygamist sect's ranch began to reunite with their kids Monday, hours after a state district judge ordered the immediate return of more than 400 juveniles, bringing an abrupt end to one of the largest custody cases in U.S. history.
Late Monday, Willie Jessop, an elder for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, said the church won't allow underage girls to marry. Jessop told the AP the new policy will forbid any girl to marry who is not of legal consent age in the state where she lives.
Jessop said the church has been widely misunderstood, but he said the church will not sanction marriages of underage girls and will counsel members against such unions. He insisted marriages within the church have always been consensual.
Cool--I'm glad they did that. Indeed, that may be a brilliant response to the events that have taken place surrounding the FLDS. But.......just because the FLDS leader outlawed underage marriage, doesn't mean it was taking place--or if it was, that underage marriage was common in FLDS. When the LDS banned polygamy over a century ago, most Morman men only had one wife--polygamist marriages were the minority. Probably a large minority, but still a minority. Ya' think Elvis Presley would survive CPS and Nancy Grace today if he married his 14 year first cousin?.......  Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Jerry Lee Lewis......not Elvis.
Jerry Lee Lewis's career was over when he married his 14 Y.O. cousin......
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Jerry Lee Lewis......not Elvis.
Jerry Lee Lewis's career was over when he married his 14 Y.O. cousin...... Oops--you're right!   It's all Rock & Roll to me........  Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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The mothers are more to blame here than anyone if the allegations are true. They are the scum for letting it happen to their little girls to begin with. i have to say...........horse chit.......the mothers were brought up in the exact same environment, as far as the mothers knew this was how the world worked....these mothers arent the same as your wife or girlfriend....they have been raised the same way that their kids are being raised without much connection to the outside world....how in the hell can you hold them accountable and call them scum? they likely and truly didnt know any better cause the leaders of the group wanted it that way.........
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The mothers are more to blame here than anyone if the allegations are true. They are the scum for letting it happen to their little girls to begin with. i have to say...........horse chit.......the mothers were brought up in the exact same environment, as far as the mothers knew this was how the world worked....these mothers arent the same as your wife or girlfriend....they have been raised the same way that their kids are being raised without much connection to the outside world....how in the hell can you hold them accountable and call them scum? they likely and truly didnt know any better cause the leaders of the group wanted it that way......... Your argument about the mother's not knowing any better reflects my feelings about the folks who don't see anything wrong with how this went down...cause their government leaders want it that way. Not picking on you, just thought it might be an instructive observation. It's wrong for religious fanatics/pervs to propagandize people in their group, but it's good when the gov does it through public schooling?
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