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Thanks guys, I miss the old original superglue and would like to find it again, maybe this is it, but better?
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The heavy duty Loctite retaining products like #380 and #680 are designed and used when you need a low viscosity, thin, adhesive (for close fitting parts) that has extremely high resistance to shearing forces.
#680 is great for anchoring sleeves on Remington bolts.
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Mtn Hunter,
The step by step post you did several years ago detailing your bedding method would go a long way here. It was the purple 7 mag build that you documented.
I have to agree that the person doing the bedding yeilds 90% of the results.
It was a great post, and I was lucky to have printed it.
GB
GB, Those were the good ole' days, when Rem 700 actions & McSwirlys were respected around here (before the AR crowd showed up)  MtnHtr
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You mean the "Mouser" crowd? 
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RickB, Nope, I am referring to the "Rem bashers". They are a group of folks who were spawned off the fine genetics of a renegade 'smith who is hiding out somewhere in Idaho, last I heard. He misinformed alot of the armchair experts on the internet and a new era was born. Problem is folks like Warren Page are not around anymore to correct these experts!    MtnHtr
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Oh, I know...I'm still trying to pull a bolt handle off one of my 700's, waiting for the extractors to snap off, or for rounds to fall out on the ground from the "uncontrolled" push feeding. There's never a shortage of people who feel that in order to elevate their own personal preference they have to tear everything else down.
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This turned into one of the better threads as of late. Reminds me of the days of old.
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Oh, I know...I'm still trying to pull a bolt handle off one of my 700's, Long odds but if it happens you'll end up staring at it in complete incomprehension, like a dog at a computer. Then laugh at yourself for it. Happened to me when setting up a trigger for a friend on an older rifle (stainless). I beat them around pretty hard as a safety check and stared for seconds at the chunk of metal like, "What the hell is that and where the hell did it come from??" Turned out that the braze took on almost none of the bolt body (he had been uncommonly gentle in handling the rifle). Had my friend call Remington which did everything but send someone with a personal apology.
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Which explains a lot.
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It happens...but no where near as often as some would have you believe. I've also seen a Mauser or two with tig welded handles that came off. A bad welded joint can be just as weak as a bad brazed joint.
Remington uses a machine to feed the brazing tape into the joint and the chance of contamination is higher than if you are doing it one at a time by hand in your shop. They do a pull test after the brazing (that's what the punch mark on the underside of the handle signifies) but they won't tell you how much force they use in the test.
A properly done brazed joint will normally be as strong or even a bit stronger than the parent materials being joined.
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Yeah, this was an older rifle and I imagine Remington has improved the process over time so now it's a pretty darn rare event, no process being perfect. Now my friend has the darnedest luck, pile a week's production in front of him and he'll pick the one with problems. Couldn't tell but I'm guessing a little more contamination in the joint than the flux could handle. It came apart when slamming the bolt forward. Just had to laugh at myself for staring at the thing like a turd had just materialized in my hand. 
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It happens...but no where near as often as some would have you believe. I've also seen a Mauser or two with tig welded handles that came off. A bad welded joint can be just as weak as a bad brazed joint.
Remington uses a machine to feed the brazing tape into the joint and the chance of contamination is higher than if you are doing it one at a time by hand in your shop. They do a pull test after the brazing (that's what the punch mark on the underside of the handle signifies) but they won't tell you how much force they use in the test.
A properly done brazed joint will normally be as strong or even a bit stronger than the parent materials being joined. +1 And when you think about how many 700s are out there it does indeed become a rare event. MtnHtr
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I don't have the exact figures sitting in front of me, but I would bet that Remington has made more bolt action rifles than all the other manufacturers put together.
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