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A max load of H335 behind the 180gr Speer FP produces 2315fps from my little 336SS-35LTD guide gun with 18.5" barrel. That's smokin' out of the short barreled 35Remmy. No pressure indications at all.

Hi Duckbill

I don't use H-335 very often but that load sounds good. How is accuracy? Have you any loads with 200 gr. Hornady?

Jim

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Hey Jim,
Accuracy was OK(1" at 50yds), but much better backed off 1.5 grains. I've really only tested the groups at 50yds because I have a low powered scope on it.

I have not tested the 200gr HDY's in this gun, but they shot really good in an older 336RC 35 Rem. The HDY is a little tougher than the Corelokts and Sierra 200gr bullets. Some folks complain that they do not open up well at standard 35REM speeds. I've been meaning to try them in this gun. Especially since the main purpose for this guide gun is for hogs.
If you want some load data, shoot me a PM. I'll dig some up tonight. It's been several years since I used the HDY.

Bill

I was shooting 39.5 grns of Varget with a Hornady 200 gr bullet out of my Rem 760 (made 1980) with exceptional accuracy. I was able to get 2100 out of it. I love that rifle and just two weeks ago I found it a perfect mate.....a Marlin 336D Guide Gun in 35 Rem. Apparently only 1000 were made for Davidsons (a distributor). I have yet to shoot it but I am thinking of trying the Speer FP. Good luck with your +P loads!

I understand your comments about safety. May I ask what made your rifle blow up? In my early and ignorant years reloading I accidentally assumed the powder left in my powder dumper was H4831 but in actuallity it was Varget. To make a long story short my loaded 25-06 cases were loaded 14 grains above max of Varget while thinking it was a stiff load of H4831. The first shot at the range left a sticky bolt, the second left a sticky bolt, and the third had blown the primer and forced the plunger into the bolt. Then it all dawned on me what had happened. It was a Rem 700 BDL and I have fired over 300 rounds (of safe loads) through it since with still excellent accuracy. Why wasn't their any damage to me or my rifle?

Just lucky?

Jeff

He posted an article by someone else, describing their "blow up".

The M700 action is very strong and also has a pretty good gas escape design to safely vent the end results of a blown primer or case. So does the Savage M110 action and I know that from personal experience.

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Pay no attention to the lady called Phasemaid, she doesn't understand the question and goes ranting on about other things.

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MM, I once had an 1895 just like the one you're talking about. I was used to 45-70 recoil, having fired the cartridge extensively in my 1886 Winchester. The 405's were fine, but when I went to one of the hopped-up Express loads in another brand...suffice to say that a trip to the Choiropracter was in order two days later.

Of course, the big, heavy '86 will solve your recoil problems without going to a smaller caliber. I currently have an 1895 Cowboy and it shoots some fairly warm '86 level loads with no recoil concerns.

As a newbie to the .35REM and as a newbie reloader, I appreciate reading everyone's input.

So is anyone in the firearms/ammunition industry paying attention to this discussion? There is obviously a need for pressure tested and published +P data for the 35 Rem. just as has been done for the 45-70, 38 Spec., etc.

Yes Ratltrap, you are so right! It really makes the 35Rem a potent close range gun that you no longer need to make excuses about. It's a "meat gun" also, which hasn't been mentioned here and that's great for us who don't want to drop our deer quickly and want to minimize lost venison. The +P (2250fps for me) hasn't caused any more meat damage on last two I shot and they didn't go far.

But you guys be careful cause I don't want to be reprimanded about 'hotroding' if one blows due to a mistake. Test fire carefully please!

http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=7180

This fellow knows 336 in 35 Rem.

Buckeye, thanks for that link. Very informative read.

Dave.

As yiou can see the the 35 Rem. is a heck of a cartridge that just hasn't got the press as the new thumpers...Its reputation is built from the woods not the pen.. with modern powders and bullets made just for the 35 Rem. velocity..it makes a heck of a combo light fast operating carbine that will take care of bussiness..I like the way the 35 Rem. CL functions and the 180 gr. Speer..The 180 gr. Speer my seem light but it is long and constructed well.
I have a couple of 336's in 35 Rem. and with the right bullet at the right Vel. it is wonderful Black Bear medicine..and they are big here..a 550lb..was taken less than 5 miles from my place.

What is the load?

I am interested in this discussion, too. I am waiting for my 336 35 Remington to be delivered. In my country to be legal for moose the 35 Remington would have to reach 200 gr @ 2250 fps. This is still only of academic interest to me since I have other, more powerful guns for moose hunting. But the temptation is there to achieve the moose energy levels.

The LeverEvolution factory ammo in 35 Remington achieves this velocity so it is doable at least with some powders.

The 336 can take 444 Marlin pressures which are 43000 if I remember correctly, so I think at least the gun can take the 35 Remington +P loads discussed in this thread.

I ordered my 336 35 Remington for deer hunting so I will not be needing any +P loads. But it is nice to hear what others have done on that front.

Buffalo Bore offers this load.

Heavy .35 Remington
Item No. 17A 220 gr. JFN 2200 fps
2364 ft. lbs. Per Box of 20
$44.09

"... 2315fps from my little 336SS-35LTD guide gun with 18.5" barrel. That's smokin' out of the short barreled 35Remmy. No pressure indications at all."

I wonder what pressure signs you are looking for.

If it's the "normal" signs of sticky extraction, ejector hole marks on the the case head, exceptionally flatten primers, smoked or loose primer pockets, you may be in for a surprise. All of those signs show up only when pressures are approximately twice what the standard pressure for a .35 is built for.

You can beat your 336 to death with much less pressure than it takes for such signs to appear.

I am with 260Rem on this one. I just got my Nonneman 356 conversion back last week. I just posted a thread on it with pics. I recommend him highly for anybody wanting this done - or other lever work for that matter.

I see nothing wrong with pumping the 35 Rem up some as it is underlaoded but you are talking a 200 grain bullet at 2300 fps - max.

The 356 at normal pressure (similar pressure to +P 35Rem) will deliver 2650 fps with the same bullet. That flattens trajectory within iron sight range considerably and needless to say elevates the rifle to the next power level without any plus p worries.

I've got a 35Rem Marlin too and I load that to normal pressures and get 2000 fps with 200 grain Rem Corlokts - a good deer load and very fun to shoot.

Maybe now I'll get a 35 Whelen...