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Looks like I am in the minority. 300 Win Mag 2ith 175, 176, 178, 180, 190, 200, 208, or 210 gr bullets.

SU-try putting up numbers for these combo's when you get a minute, (if you're really bored...<g>)

Use a NBT for all of the bullets that way they're all the same and then sight them all in dead nuts on at 100 and see where they go @ 500.

Just for giggles this is.

Thx

Dober

Yeah...

Mark,

I'll punch those numbers in if you tell me that you personally sight in your rifles for a 100 yards for deer hunting.

For where I hunt 3" high at a 100 is the norm.

I hear you on that, but IMO the only true way to judge how they compare from one to another is to start them all at the same place at 100. Too many times I've seen rounds that are sighted @ 250 be up and or down a bit from each other at 100 and it just isn't quite grapes to grapes.

And for my Minnesota hunting I always sight them in at 100 yds...<g>

Just more gun gack is all it is.

Dober

Hey bro, its fun.

I know I know, just waiting for bruins to start up here. Now that'll be fun!

Dober

Yeah, as fun as the last year of endless gakking with ya'll has been... I do believe that hunting will be just a slight little smidge bit FUNNER!

Id surley pick the 7mm but would much rather use the 7x57 or 7mm-08,Ive got a deadly accurate 7mm Rem. mag. and Id guess I have not shot this weapon in 15 years ,its just a lot more rifle than is nessasary for taking deer sized game at any reasonable ranges common to man...............

If you are using the ballistic plex ect. other reticle systems you are placing a aiming point on the target-not trying to guess how high to hold over its back ect.And at the same time maintining the ability to have a normal hunting zero with the first crosshair. That is what I was trying to say. And standard magnums like the 7mm rem sighted in at say 250yards would take a lot of clicking up on the elevation turret to reach your 350,400,450,500 setting and no it would not be a quick proposition. By going to the flatter shooting big magnums you can have a 400 yard zero with very little clicking up for 500 yards.

I understand where you're coming from with this; the faster cartridges(than 7 rem mag,say)flatten things out a bit.There's more than one way to skin this cat,though.For years I've used the 7 rem mag and 300 win with 140's and 165's at app 3200-3250.With a 300 yard zero,these loads were down 8-10" at 400(about what you're saying)and only required a top of back hold on a good size buck;or high shoulder hold on elk.At 500 they hit about where the bottom duplex of a Leup variable set on 6X hits.That is pretty simple, too,and fast to get into action.No need to concern yourself with much out to 350.BTW the above was determined using Nosler Partitions,and Sierra's, pretty standard stuff.

The way I see it with the above set up,the dots, etc really do not make any difference till you get well past 450-500.The only real difference I have seen between the 300's and the 7's out to 600 in terms of trajectory,given roughly equivilent bullets,is if you don't play even Steven and shortchange one or the other from a velocity standpoint,and stack the odds with a tricked out bullet.Other than that, they are virtual twins to 600,as far as I have shot them.

Run those #s again... only this time lets see the wind drift. A well trained cockatoo can compensate for bullet drop using a rangefinder and turrets... but the wind is where you'll get beat up with low BC/high velocity bullets.


Couldn't agree more... proceed.

Out to just 500 yards I don't think wind is that much of a factor unless it's blowing really hard.

Also out 500 yards there's not enough difference between the 28 and 30 to call one better than the other.

Past 500 I'm going to use a range finder for either and use the best BC bullet in each caliber. I'll probably prefer the heavier bullet.



Yes!

Agreed... to a certain extent. Though, I tend to use the rangefinder anytime I think a shot is further than about 250 yds.

Here's a little eye opener though...

120 NBT @ 3500 drifts 17" at 500 yards... and has around 1500 fpe
168 Berger @ 3000 drifts only 12.5" at 500... and has 2000 fpe

That's a 30+ % reduction in drift... and a 30+ % increase in downrange punch. And, 4.5" of drift is enough to cause some problems... even on a pretty sizeable target.

You got it right, the drift is the biggest challenge not the up/down.

4 me, any rig that is gonna be used past 400 will have dotz/Bp and or turrets on it so that part is easy.

Dober

So what are you doing when the target is 250, 350, 450, or 550 yards away?


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How about a 243win? Care to time me? Time me!



So again, how much LR shooting have you done?

I don't see where Old Coach specified a max distance... About anything will work if your only shooting 500 yards. If that is the intended range I would scratch both and shoot a 243win.....

7mm's rock the 30 cals world in LR. Run your numbers to a 1,000 with like bullets and see the difference.


I own no 7mm,and have a sentimental attachment to the 300win, but lets do a comparison-

a 7/08 with 162 AMAX's at 2,750, needs 29.9 minutes of elevation and 6.7MOA of drift at 1k, compared to the 190gr SMK at 3,000 out of the 300win needing 27 and 7.3 MOA respectivly......

So for 30gr more powder, twice the recoil, and half the barrel life, I get 3 minutes less drop and 1/2min more drift.

Run those #'s again with a 210 Berger, 208 A-Max, or even a 240 SMK... see how those work out. I love it when guys use the best case scenario for one round and the middle of the road for another... then compare the numbers. And, it doesn't take much energy to punch a hole is paper (7mm/08)... anchoring big game animals at longer ranges is horse of another color.

I've done quite a bit of killin with the 6mms and the .25s... but when rubber meets the road on a big buck (or bull, or bear), I'll take the extra clout the big 7s and even bigger 30s offer... even if I do have to stuff a little extra powder in the case.

He didn't and I just picked 500 yards out of the blue as a medium range. Let's go 1000 if you wish.




What exactly is your zero sir?

Also, I run 6.5 140 VLD's .640 BC's at that same speed.

These are both great paper punchers and will no doubt do the job on deer at a long ways.

I personally like 30 calibers holes and weight at long distance especially when elk are in the mix. I may put up with some more recoil as result but well worth it to me.

Ok...

At 1K-

300win/240SMK- 29.3MOA drop and 5.8 moa windage

300win/210 Berger- 28.3MOA drop and 6.3 moa wind

300win/208gr AMAX- 28.2MOA drop and 6.2 moa wind

Thank you for making my point....



"Energy" means dick when it comes to killing, and there isn't a buck, bull, or bear that will survive a 162gr AMAX impacting the chest at 1,495 FPS.

Fact is, it takes the 300win 80 grains more bullet, 30 grains more powder, twice the recoil, and half the barrel life to barely eek out the lowly 7/08 at 1,000yds.

100 Yrds.


The last animal I kill on this earth will be with a 300WM, and when a deer MUST die, the 300win/178gr AMAX combo, is hard to beat... That said, LR is about the bullet, and it takes a lot of .308 caliber bullet, to match the 7mm's.