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Got my long 700 HE case chambered barrel finally in a bmg size action. It is barrel I locked onto an I-beam and got testing and load developement done over the last couple years. Max load about 23,000 ft lbs. It weighs 27 lbs, laminated thumbhole stock, a max size pad, weighted butt, a reinforced wrist, recoil barrel ring on front of stock.Ed
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Here is picture of a neat scaled up Sharps replica that would handle out 12GA FH and my 700HE. That outside hammer looks great. From a magazine article in Very High Power...Ed
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Here is a pic of a projectile idea Rob had. We will test it later this fall, It is 12ga bore rider design Body is Aluminum, and it will have a heavy 50 cal insert in the nose made from tungsten or similiar metals. In the picture he put a 50 cal bullet in for show. The insert in the nose will be flush with front of the AL carrier. It should be stable at slow twists and if built with back and front same diameter stable in smoothbores. The long lighter tail-end compared to heavy nose insert will make it stable. Same principle Brenekke uses. This idea is being explored to try to get superior penetration from 12ga, with heavy, hard insert in the nose.Ed
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geeez Ed......you come up with some extreamly interesting experiments......going to show that pic to the wife and tell her i need one to be my new ground squirrel gun cause "the 405 grain hard casts out of my 45-70 just aint penetrating the mounds like they ought to" would love to see what happens to a coyote after being hit with that
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Here is another view of my 700HE blaster, that I got rigged up on an action and stock. Side view shows action with a aperture sight I rigged up. Also cases. On left is 700H 3.25" case. Center my 700HE, what the gun in picture has now. Good for nearly 23,000 ft lbs, we attained in a work up in testing with the barrel as a test barrel with screw on testing receiver....Ed
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Here is picture of a dart type 12ga slug Rob made. Body is aluminum, it has a heavy tungsten carbide insert in the nose. The TC in the nose is about 5 times denser than AL. Total length is 2.35 inches, weight about 950 gr. The .75" long insert a real tight type fit. Heat AL, put in insert, cools, locks on. It is fairly streamlined, yet has wide meplat for penetration in game. Flat points penetrate straighter in game. It is hollow inside in the back, behind insert which puts the center of gravity way up front, it should fly straight even from a smoothbore. They are fast to make and material less expense than copper.In pic is a copper and a brass 600 cal slugs for comparison. Dart/slug on right has insert.Ed
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It is fairly streamlined, yet has wide meplat for penetration in game. Flat points penetrate straighter in game. would think that that sinister thing being over 2 inches long would help keep it tracking straight
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The overall shape front to back is the big factor in stability in air, but tests have shown that wider meplats on various length bullets of regular lengths penetrate the straightest in game. This bullet is near the top range of being considered regular length.Ed
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i know......have read up alot on revolver bullets and the like.....just saying a rod passing through a a critter should track pretty straight
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Yes it will track better than shorter ones.The center of gravity being way forward is a factor also. Here are more samples of nice 12ga slugs..Here is pic of ones RG Henson sent. Jacketed 12ga. 715gr hollowpoints, on the right and in front a jkt 675gr hollowbase. RG's number 1-770-366-4846. These will be great for shorter plastic and brass cases as well as long cases. Other slugs in pic, in the back, left to right Foster 436gr- Dixie 600gr- 750gr brass- 750gr hollowbase brass, and a hollowpoint I put a lightweight plastic filler in the nose for streamlining..Ed
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Two other 12ga slugs RG may do later on are full jacketed ones. If interested in the hp one above contact him at number above. He has to do a bunch of them to get ahead to do others.And they will be a fantastic deer, hog, bear slug. He is in Georgia. Also, any of you who might want some of the 12GA FH brass cases made from BMG brass, we have the fellow who had the idea about the 12GA FH first, Rob on AR forum, is planning on making them. He has got the machines to do it now, that we didn't have before. Let me know how many you are interested in getting, so he can plan and figure the best price. He has a bunch of BMG cases to start with, he and I have places to get more.I'm posting this all over.Ed
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Testing 715gr jacketed hollowpoint from RG Henson in Savage 210. With 30 inch barrel, long brass 3.85" case, big primer. Slightly hairy load 290gr RL22--2700 fps. Shot moderate load of 300gr W-860 -- 2400 fps for 3 shot group of 3" at 50 yards with my bad eyes and peep sights. They shoot nice, they go into target straight.. Other nice thing the price from RG, for customers getting in on his first run, $1.25 plus shipping. That is less than half of what other big bore jkt bullets cost. Call him for some great slugs. They are great like the Dixie slugs. Ed
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Lookee what another santa sent me. A regular BMG case on the left, and a straight BMG case on the right, and it CAME FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT WAY. It is primer cartridge for large guns and howitzers. It is used in those guns/cannons that have powder in big bags. It is filled with powder and inserted into cannon breach and when fired sets off the larger charge. On some cannon breaches they have an automatic feed for these with a huge 40 round drum magazine. This on is marked IVI 89 C67. IVI is Canadian. On these breaches it is held by collet fingers for head space and for ejection. Ok, there are many thousands more of these out there than the PROP cases I showed before. We need to find few barrels of these and have Rob, etal, put on rims.... no annealing.....no fireforming, just slight resize to 12GA FH. Please help if you know of any. They would save so much work and time..And even though fired the bases are perfectly straight, another plus.....Ed
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i want those rounds!!!!!
lol, i love big bullets. would love to be able to put one in my collection. hint hint...
30-06 till i die, the greatest round ever! I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy! CEO of a Turdlike People: Turds & Tats Division... (per Ingwe )
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You can get a 12GA FH cases with a slug for 12 bucks shipping included. Just contact me. Here is a picture of RG's jacketed 715gr slugs in various loads.First are 2.75" and 3" factory foster slugs\ for comparison. 3rd is jkt HP in 3.5" plastic case, 4th in a 3" brass RMC case. 5th in a 3.5" brass case with small primer, 6th in our long brass 3.85" case, big primer. Top hairy load in long case in Savage, 2900..Ed
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are you just doing this for the heck of it?
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My fulltime hobby, doing my wildcats and 12GAFH,etc. Please notice in the picture above, cases loaded with the 715 gr jacketed slugs, the 3rd and 4th ones. They both have same 90gr of 4227, same number of wads, shoot at 1700 in 24" NEF barrel. 3rd plastic is 3.5" case, the 4th brass is a 3" RMC. Both have shotgun primers.The 5th longer case is a 3.5" strong brass one I made from a PROP case, and when I put in primer bushing, I set it up for shotgun primer. I will test it with 4227 powder, 600gr and 715 gr slugs. Also in a couple months Rob, who's idea the 12GA FH was will be able to deliver the super strong 12GA FH cases made from BMG brass. And the they will be headstamped, all done by his CNC machine.Ed
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RIP on AR Big bore forum is doing 835 Mossy and 1400gr Darwin slugs. A 14.5 pound Ulti-Mag. The hollow part of the butt is filled with about 5.5 lbs of lead shot and epoxy. Has 4X Sightron in QRW rings. Do 3.5" plastic hulls with the Darwin in it first. It balances on the trigger. Loading the magazine with 4 and one up the spout will add about 1.25 pounds if the 5 rounds are "Darwins," and move the balance point to the front of the triggerguard. It is heavier rifled 24" chromoly alloy barrel. Brett in MN has Mossy 835, only with smoothbore barrel and gets 1oz finned plastic tail Ballistic Products slug to 2300 fps, using shotgun powder.
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Still testing 8ga I have setup in the Enfield. It has a long smooth barrel. Those 8ga heavy plastic cases are great. Fire them 4 times with no resizing. Here is pic of slugs used in 8ga.. One and two are 1015gr hollowbase. Three and 4 are 875gr hollowbase. On four the cushion base is cut off so I can use card wad and have more room for powder.Ed
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We got our RMC 3.5" brass 12ga cases. These are turned cases using shotgun primer. They have nice thick base, and a good radius in the corner. Got a Brenekke OK 437 gr slug to 2800 fps, a 540gr Hammerhead slug to 2450. got 600gr Dixie to 2300, the 715gr RG jacketed to 2130, and a 1400gr Darwin to 1400 plus. Tested in NEF. Shot one case 15 times and still going strong, tight primer, with loads running about 20- 24,000 psi.I have pics of cases soon, and we also will test these brass ones and 3.5" plastic in 12ga Encore Prohunter..Ed
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