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My my...you are displaying some awesome knowledge of the Constitution there. You're dead wrong. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Of course, what do I know.



To tell you the truth, I was considering the military for a while. But, my current situation doesn't allow for that, as I am both going to school and working 60 hours a week, with a two hour drive each day.



BTW, you might want to read up on some constitutional issues.

The WMD's just haven't been found yet. It's a big country and biological weapons are very small.

Before Saddam was found about a month ago, you could apply the same logic to him. He hasn't been found in Iraq yet therefore he was never there.

Remember they waited 14 months to go after him, he had plenty of time to hide the weapons in Iraq or Syria.

Skidrow, your mistake is assuming that Saddam is prudent or that he even thinks like us. During the Iran/Iraq war he commonly launched chemical attacks that did as much damage to his own troops as the Iranians.

During our invasion Saddam logic may well have dictated that he use the weapons, his army be damned. Afterall, the battle was lost anyway. You can't argue that he cares about the individual lives of his troops. In fact, as Saddam watched his army disintegrate, he might have felt betrayed. What better way to get back at your betrayers than to launch a chemical attack that would get some of your own soldiers who were showing less than wholehearted devotion and the enemy as well.

All of this is to say that any American commander who based our MOPP level on the MOPP level being maintained by opposing troops, was crazy. I seriously doubt anyone did that. Therefore, the question remains, why did we come out of MOPP so quickly? What intelligence did we have that made us so sure NBC weapons would not be used?

Listen, I know I won't convince you and you won't convince me. We have two competing theories. I don't think the WMDs were there, except possibly as residuals left over from the programs we helped them with in the 80s and the weapons we supplied them with back then. Many people believe there were WMDs and despite the fact that they haven't been found and that all the inspections before the war found none, they are still there waiting to be found. Maybe, but I doubt it. Who knows? But I'll bet in 10 years this country is deeply sorry we invaded Iraq and GWs name will almost never be spoken without someone spitting after they say it. I'm content to wait and see, sorry if I have given any offense.

We shall see, indeed. The future will tell.

The only Con. Amend. that I even worry about is the 4th and this is only how I can get around it, and still have the case hold up in court. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



You only have to serve one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer. The military will pay you and even pay for your college. Like you stated, you only thought about it. Step up to the plate and take the pitch. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

And a couple of months of bootcamp to start off with....sorry, but my bills and the fact that I am a sole provider won't allow for that.
So, I'll prefer to stay second class citizen for now.

Purdy bad to have a second class, immigrant citizen, who's all wet behind the ears when it comes to the Constitution, correct YOU on constitutional matters....eh? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I really couldn't care less about the Constitution, that's a Supreme Court issue. If it doesn't effect the 4th, it means little or nothing to me. State Constitution and laws that, I worry about. Besides you should be well versed in the Constitution, you just finished "wetback" school and had to take the test. I haven't even worried about that stuff since graduating from college in 81. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You can always enter the military later, up to the age of 32, but they'll be another excuse later too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Take care

None taken. Just wondering when you're going to be intellectually honest. Rather than asking objective questions you seem to be promoting an agenda. If so, have at it but at least be honest about your motives. Either way I don't think your argument holds water. I don't necessarilly think this was the right war at the right time in the right place but neither do I think that Bush lied outright.

That's kinda my stance, as well.

You're kinda pathetic. First you start off lecturing me how I am not fit to discuss constitutional matters with a bigwig like you, then you start showing your true ignorance about the constitution you claim to know, and when that's pointed out to you, you start back paddlin' and saying how you don't really care. BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

My knowledge on these issues has little to do with any test I had to take. I have known simple facts that you don't, for a number of years.

Do you recommend the military to everyone you meet, or just as a conversation starter to piss people off?
See, I am just sorta wondering what the intent was.
Ever read Heinlein?

Come clean?

He has.

What did you expect him to do?

Take the word of an insane mass murderer when all the evidence appeared to the contrary? "Wing it" and hope the insane mass murderer, who was boasting about paying suicide bombers $25,000 each, and who had clearly violated the 1991 treaty, would never give some anthrax to some Arab terrorists? Or just "pray" there would never be another 9/11?

Saddam, who had used WMD whenever he could, who kicked out and impeded the inspectors, who was shooting missiles at their airplanes, was sure acting like he had WMD. Instead of giving the UN 20,000 pages of gobbledegook, all he had to do was say, "I got rid of them. They were buried over there. Achmed did it. Here, you can talk to him."

Certainly Bush had no motive to lie. And don't give me that crap about his "oil buddies." Enron gave as much money to the Democrats as to the Republicans.

Indy, I like it! Simple answers to simple questions. Works for me.

Bush had plenty of reasons to lie, or at least want to get rid of Saddam very badly.

10. Appear to be doing something about the war on terror.

9. Pretend to be a strong leader.

8. I'm on a mission from God.

7. Richard Perle and the guys say it is a good thing to do.

6. Ariel Sharon said it sure would be helpful if I did something.

5. Put the fear of God in those Ragheads.

4. Avert attention of stupid American voters from fading economy.

3. Start new world order and bring truth, justice, and freedom to the Middle East (after we bomb you to the stone ages, of course)

2. Show that I'm no pussy like Bill Clinton was.

and the number one reason to get Saddam

1. He tried to kill my daddy!

The only significant question is whether GW is a liar or a dupe.

Joe...I don't buy any of those reasons. But, something may not as it seems. I am increasingly concerned about the WMD claims.

I figurerd a proud American like yourself would want to serve a country that has just made him a citizen, but I see that's not the case. A man of all of your knowledge and skills would be an asset to the military. But your probably not cut out to do those type of activities, so it's best for both parties, you and the US. As far as the Constitution and what I know or don't know has no impact upon my life. If I wanted to learn more about it I would ask one of the Judges that I deal with or look it up on the net. As for just knowing the stuff to throw out at people, I couldn't care less. That's sounds like a good job for a 25 YOA college boy. Oh! FU-K Heinlien and any other anti-military or such BS, he needed to be directly involved in GRENADA,PANAMA,DESERT STORM,SOMALIA, like myself and thousands of other Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines.

I have paid my dues. And I work for the government, so I guess you could say I am a civil servant.

I just don't think you really care about any military service I might be involved in. I think that you have nothing else left to talk about, since you got shot down on everything else.



By your ignorant comments, I see that you haven't read Heinlein.

Thank you for your military service.



College boy...you're funny.



See you on another thread.

First I hope we arent all making enemies with each other as all of this politiical stuff heats up for election. I have myself placed in the Republican side, but get this clear, I have no time for far right republicans, I find them just as discusting as far left democrats.

Ram, I dont agree with you on the bait and switch accusation as that is too huge of a leap. What it clearly points out is our intelligence community got it wrong. But, and this is a big but, not only did the US intelligence get it wrong, so did the British, French, German, Russian, the UN, etc, everyone really thought he still had WMD. But, let's not forget the possibility that they were hidden, or they were trucked to Syria. I still think this issue is coming on too fast. Iraq is the size of Texas, there are alot of things we still dont know.

Your comments about Kerry I support 100 percent. I think he is a phony, Kennedy want a be. I was a Vietnam Vet also, and I never agreed with the radical war protesters. I did agree it was a classic example why you dont want polititians running your military decisions. And let's not all forget all the money LBJ made off helicopters in Vietnam. I say that, because alot of people love to bash Nixon, when in fact, Nixon wanted us out of that situation just as fast as the next guy. LBJ frankly resigned from running for a second term because he knew he had mired us into a war we never should have been involved with "in the manner" that we were. The cause was good, the method was not. That's the point.