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I also have faith that I will win the lottery some day, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the Sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the Sun.

Thomas Paine 1737-1809.
Who the hell is this character?

Actually there is lots and lots of evidence. Read Evidence that Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell. But I doubt you will, because no evidence will be good enough if your mind is set against any.

Agreed, that's why I believe in Bigfoot and the Easter bunny also.

Explain further please.

Did you also see some chairs or benches? How about some candles and candlestick holders? Walls, ceilings, floors or windows?

None of them were graven images either.

We know.

I can give you a list of books that will show you the light of Bigfoot.

Who reads these days?

Bigfoot reads.

Very true. But then my critiques may not have been directed at you.


Unfortunately, there are plenty that do claim to understand, and they want to cram their own particular 'understanding' down others throats.



Of course it's judgement. But it is a precept of Christianity that one shouldn't judge not a dicta of debate. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of those Christians who quote passages like Luke 6:37 and then go about and judge everyone they meet, weighing them against their own personal view of Christianity. More classic example are John 8:7 or Matt 7:5. These are favorite quotations, but rare indeed is the Christian who actually practices them.

I found this quote particularly revealing, however.



Most people here are professing to have the answers, are happy to share them and they get quite upset of you don't agree.

Unfortunately, this debate is descending into a personal conflict, which was never my intent. I meant to debate ideas, and if I have offended I apologize. Religion, like politics, is composed of deeply held beliefs and it is easy to arouse deeply held beliefs are critiqued or challenged.

Certainly no one is going to have their mind changed, and when the conversation becomes and exchange of personal barbs (and I am as guilty as anyone) it ceases to serve any purpose whatsoever.

There is also factual evidence that the story of Jesus was a Roman story developed politically with Social control in mind. Constantine and his henchmen circa 325 AD convened and layed out the Christian Doctrine. A spiritual fraud was developed and enforced by the Vatican throughout the ages.

I've read the bible probably 6 times cover to cover and spent years studying and the more I researched the more confused I became. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in a God and the commandments, but I'm a little skeptical about the Jesus story.
Of the 16 noted Historians of that 500 year section not one word is recorded about the miracles or life of Jesus as written in the bible. He actually doesn't historically exist. How could that be, that a human can walk on water, multiply sardines by the thousands, turn water into wine, raise the dead, cure the blind and cripples is not even recorded in any history books?

It's also interesting to note the Commandments were place on stone tablets. It's a powerful image, but with a historical underpinning. The Code of Hammurabi was circulated throughout the empire on baked clay tablets establishing the idea that Royal (ultimate) law is graven in stone.

Good point because the Summerians wrote on clay tablets and then baked them because 5000 years ago there was no paper.
I mean if I was Moses I would rather pack some paper down that mountain rather than 50 pound tablets since he was already 300 years old at that time.
Same goes for mountain rifles versus my 12 pound weatherby.

Hunters/shooters are always looking for a name for their favorite lead-slingers. MOSES is perfect for that heavy Weatherby!

Josephus mentions Him.

Testimonium Flavianum
The following passage appears in the Greek version of Antiquities of the Jews xviii 3.3, in the translation of William Whiston:

� 3.3 Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.


Others do too. Of course many are Christian writers, and that their writing is not considered suitable evidence speaks to the bigotry held by many hating all things Christian. Such thought would also preclude the hieroglyfics of Egypt as evidence addressing their culture.

Hats off to you sir for your research but that has been proven a forgery for hundreds of years. Dig a little more and you will see that I was right. I also studied this document. There also 3 other Greeks who mentioned Christ in their writngs but the words translate to "annointed one" or christus. The annointing was done to Pharaohs and high priests so really doesn't have anything to do with Jesus.

Actually the Moses story comes from the Summerian Sargon of Akah circa 2250 BC.
1. Placed in a basket
2. Set adrift on a river.
3. To avoid enfanticide.
4. Rescued by and raised by Royalty.

Thanks GPA- I will now baptise my Bee to Moses and annoint it with gun oil.

I finally saw the light this year. I've been hunting with either my M1a or my 14 pound 40X. This year I built a 6.5 Grendel on a CZ-527 that weigh around 7 pounds with a walnut stock an #5 barrel. I wish someone made a light, reasonably priced hunter style synthetic stock for it. I bet I could shave another pound off.

The "proof" you refer to is totally hypothetical. It has been contested in the 20th century.

Then there is Josephus's reference to Jesus in his account of the trial of James, where he refers to James as the brother of Jesus, rather than as the son of........, as was the practice in that day. Obviously, the relationship to Jesus was much more important than that of his father in Josephus's mind.

Believe what you will, and disbelieve what you won't.

The thread title asks the question, "Is the scripture true or not?" If you answer that question in the negative, the justification for that position will need to be in two parts and in this order:
1. Are the documents authentic historically? Is their evidence that they were written in the relative time-frame claimed by them and are the extent copies an accurate reflection of the original writings.

2. If those documents are authentic historically, do they have evidence of divine inspiration.

I know you are smart enough to understand this. There is no point in discussing inspiration if the documents are not historically authentic. Evidence for divine inspiration is examined on the basis of whether it contains accurate information which exceeds the contemporary knowledge of the men of times in which it was written.

Any meaningful dialogue on this thread topic will need to engage these two issues. In order to engage them you first need set up the laws of evidence by which you make the determination. I am asking you what criteria you used when you did your research and affirmed a negative to the inspiration of the scriptures. If you don't have the criteria, it would indicate that as of yet you have not performed a careful investigation.