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Perhaps you need to put your thinking cap on as its a pretty simple concept...

Woundwound channel depth is lenght which is penetration, in essance you are sayinbg that the TSX trade off is less depth for more penetration

Yep makes no sense, again you are rambling.

JB on nearly 100 head of game I have yet to see a less than massive wound through Vital organs with TSX, yes the exits through the hide and the path through heavy muscle is small than some cup and core bullets, but NOT the path through the vitals.

In my expereience the TSX puts game down extremely faster and is in no way slower to put game down than in other type bullet that I have seen used and on average I'd rank the TSX as one of the faster bullets when it come to putting game down. That is my experience with the TSX and I'd expect the E-Tip and GMX to be equally effective.

I check out the wound chaanel very closely on every animal that is taken and I have seen nothing but massive damage to vital organ with TSX bullets. 100 Animals is a fair smple IMHO

I've shot about 30 big game animals or so with TSX's, and the vast majority of those were DRT or within a couple of feet.

Sure there are bullets that have a greater expanded frontal area. There are bullets which drop animals quicker than does the TSX. But how fast do we need them to drop??? Probably about 27 of the 30 animals I've shot with TSX's have fallen within about 5 feet. The other few have gone about 100 yards or less, and all 3 of them had a blood trail a blind man could follow. Some of them were shot in wooded areas, and regardless, I never lost a single one.

There is no perfect bullet. There is no magic bullet. Bullets are surely full of compromises, from weight retention, to expanded frontal area, rifle fouling properties, B.C., construction material, ease of expansion, toughness and ability to hold together, and lets not forget about $$$price. The list goes on. Each of us needs to pick the bullet that best suits our hunting style and conditions. It just so happens that the TSX is the best bullet that I have used so far, for my hunting style and area.

If I hunt an area where I don't want the animal to go very far, am able to ensure a broadside shot, and am not hunting animals larger than deer or antelope, I may just use the 100gr Sierra GK or the 110gr AB load that I have worked up for that same .25-06.

Good hunting guys, and thanks for a great discussion!

I thought the one that Oswald shot was a "Magic" bullet

Sorry, my mistake

Check out these 2 30 cal 200 grain Partions that a friend of shot recovered from a Bison

Here is the picture and his description

I intended to type width. Of course you knew that..

Any idea of the impact velocity>

No but I will ask him and find out.

BTW as it pertains to rambling, once again you are bringing up pictures of other bullets like Nosler Partitions and wide meplat pistol bullets. What this has to do with a TSX I will never know.
Got some self validation issues?

Of course you will never know, your incapable of knowing, that's not news

Miles58, I couldn't blame you one bit for your love of the TSX- compared to the bullet mayhem you witnessed growing up. That many bullet failures would tend to make a guy REALLY value a bullet that always penetrates.

But please consider this. I started hunting the year 2000... or 1999... can't remember now, but anyway- recently.

I'm not the briniest sardine in the can, but I have now killed just over 20 big game animals, including two elk.

I have never seen anything even remotely resembling bullet failure. All I've seen on deer from Corelokt, Partitions, Accubonds, Ballistic Tips, Silvertips, Interlocks, and a couple others are exit wounds- except for a deer this year that was a true "test of a bullet", in which I screwed the pooch and shot a blacktail through the ball of the hip joint at 40 yards with a magnum rifle. The bullet penetrated over 39", ending up under the bucks chin!

So... I respect your opinion and how you arrived at. But since I've NEVER seen penetration to be a problem, it hasn't led me to desire a solution- especially at the expense of a (on average) quicker kill, as Mule Deer talkes about.

This isn't TSX bashing, it's just my attempt to explain why THIS hunter isn't all a-flutter over the copper bullets.

One of the most well known and best gun writers of our time, who has also written chapters in books on bullet ballistics, gives us the scoop of his experience and testing with bullets and still we have some that refute it.

Amazing.

I think this thread should have been over after Mule Deer's last 2 posts.

KYRELOADER Its amazing the lengths the cheerleaders go to.

I guess that you think that no one eles's experienced result and proof of such results counts

Hawk1,

Not that I have noticed--except with bullets that open up widely with relaively little resistance. In other words, I have seen more difference in how a .338 put deer down from the bullets used than the initial diameter of the bullet.

Now you expect me to read your mind?

What's amazing is some inability to grasp result even with picture attached

It's called considering the source...