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Not to slight Muledeer, but based on what I have seen with the Interbonds they perform very well. I would take them over a partition any day

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The point MD made is the partitions are better than bonded:
"What might be called "standard" bonded bullets, made with just a one-piece jacket bonded to a long core, are numerous: Scirocco, Kodiak, Interbond, Accubond, Ultra Core-Lokt, Norma Oryx, Bitterroot Bonded Core. They all tend to retain a good percentage of weight, but none of them will penetrate as deeply as an X, Fail Safe, or Trophy Bonded of the same diameter and weight, because they open wider. For that matter, none will consistently penetrate as deeply as a Nosler Partition of the same weight and diameter.

Which one you choose all depends on penetration versus expansion. Price to a certain extent has nothing to do with it. I know because I've shot most of these into game, and all of them into test media."

As for you vanimrod, I did'nt call anyone out. I just pointed out that I used to use bonded bullets and muley set my as back on the right track. Now if thats not learning something from the great folks at this forum, I dont know what is. The only person who called anyone out was Mr. GREGSNYDER.

Now, for some strange reason, several people around here are unusually curious about my experiences with a certain brand of bullet. I, however have refrained from commenting on my expierences with any other bullet than the partition because I dont want the readers to form a predjudice opinoin of a bullet because I happen to think there great. I will say, however, that I used to have great plenty bonded hunting bullets and thought that most of them performed in a way that was satisfactory. I think JJhack had a great post and some good commentary. I was just pointing out that muledeer went to great lengths to prove that retained weight dont mean much and bonded really arent that much better.

Nice hog JJ, is it a Russian?

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Mousegun,

Let's back up and try this again. Your quote of MD proves my point, and his, that partitions and bonded perform differently, and that difference can be better or worse, in either direction, depending upon your choice of game and load. Want more expansion? Fine, take the bondeds. Need more penetration (sorry, I tried to find a way to phrase that without a double entrendre')? If so, take the partition. No one bullet does everything better than any other. Every bullet, as MD stated, and as a couple of hundred years worth of field testing has proven, is a compromise.

It is understandable how a person could read a paragraph or two of MD's posts, or anyone else's for that matter, and come away with a founded, but mistaken understanding of the real crux of the answer. Context is everything, and taken in context, MDs response does not say that one bullet is "better" than another, just that each type performs differently and that each one is better than the other in a certain performance category. But, both are still compromises on the whole, with the choice remaining with the shooter as to which performance category is more important and, thus, which bullet is "better" suited for their chosen pursuit.




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Mr. MG, you best learn a little better respect for your betters. You have been bellyaching about a point that you have been proven WRONG a dozen times over. These guys have been pulling more big game out of the woods than you'll ever see in your little lifetime. Your not fit to tie the boots of the likes of VAnimrod or MD. Why, I bet they could kill deer with just harsh language better than you could with a bullet.

So sit back and take a listen from them. You might learn a thing or two.

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For me, this site provides access to the experiences of others and, collectively, that helps me separate the wheat from the chaff. MD was describing differences. I didn't find any disrespect toward other bullets.


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Why would you "laser" a shot less than 200 yards? No offense intended just curious.

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JJ,

It's been a while!!!

I know you have been keeping data on penetration, and recovered diameters from live critters.

Quite possibly I might have a project proposition for you that might be fun and entertaining at the same time.

I'll holler at you off the boards.

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are the hornady interbond and the SST the same bullet? thanks....bearit......

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Actually no, the SST is an "interlock"(a good design, but NOT bonded), the interbond is a "bonded core bullet", which should stand up to bone much better, as well a penetrate better , since it will retain much more weight, and as JJHack found , it does this and then some! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Just wanted to send a short note to JJHACK that is long on thanks for starting a great thread filled with expertise and common sense!

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Twenty five years ago I read a story about Joyce Hornady
being on a hunt with a gun scribe who indicated his
Hornady bullet had failed because it never exited the
very dead animal.

Mr. Hornady's answer was that the animal was dead wasn't it"?
The bullet was recovered inside the animal with a shed core.

Joyce Hornady believed that expending ALL the bullet
energy inside the animal was more important than an
exit wound and blood trail. His goal was a dead animal
on the spot....His belief was that if you had to trail the
animal....the bullet did not do its' job? (Assuming a good shot)

I won't take a stance here, because that would only restart
the debate about bullet performance, and whether or not
the bullet should exit.

There is also much debate over whether it is better to
have more velocity or more bullet weight and diameter.
The velocity boys use matematics and the weight boys
point to momentum to prove their points. (Mathimatics
would indicate that a sewing needle fired at over 10,000fps
will kill and elephant)

I've opted for a center of the road approach. Medium weight
bullets for the caliber and safe but non-maximum velocities. I
do agree with one point Mr. Hornady made: With a dead
animal that dropped in its' tracks, the bullet did indeed do
its' job whether it exited or not! It killed the animal! Isn't
that the purpose of a bullet?

JJ, thanks for the "empirical" evidence. Ballistic theory is
just that....theory!

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I've got some 400 grainers to try out in my Rigby. Suppose they're tough enough for Kudu/Eland/Gemsbok?


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