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AMEN Prewar.
IMO, the worst and most often overhyped acronym used on the 'net in hunting forums is DRT. It's more often where you put the bullet vs. what type the bullet is. (not ALWAYS, but close enough)
Maybe we should start using DRTBIHWIWA. (Dead Right There Because I Hit Where I Was Aiming) +1
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Please guys let this die...I think I know what to expect from others here on the fire!I've been beat up enough for being honest and looking for some objective opinions.I said in the beginning this was just food for thought...not me as a target for all the experts. powdr
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Don't think, at least I hope you didn't that as aimed directly at you. Just a mere generalization. Like I reiterated with what countless others have said, if you use something long enough, something is bound to go wrong. While it's possible to get a bad experience right off the bat, I'd be willing to bet you could go the next 20, maybe 100 without incident. I've only shot maybe a dozen animals with the Accubombs and cannot bemoan them.
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Maybe we should start using DRTBIHWIWA. (Dead Right There Because I Hit Where I Was Aiming)
Camp is where you make it.
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...a doe at 200 yards with a 270 WSM using 140gr NAB. We found the bullet had hit the edge of a rib and it deflected rearward until it hit the last rib on the other side, I have seen this time and again with 270's. Happened to me twice. I will never hunt with a 270 again.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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JO, I can't see a bullet blowing up and still not going inside a deer deep enough.
THis happened to me on an Axis buck. Hit him in the ribs with a 180 BT running 3250 fps. Engaged him at 180 yards. THe BT disintegrated on impact. Left a 4" hole at the onside shot but did not even break the rib bone it hit. Found the green tip on the offside ribcage inside and that is all. It definitely knocked the wind out of him with no vital disruption. I finished him off with round two in the spine just as he was getting up.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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I've been beat up enough for being honest and looking for some objective opinions. You're only looking for "objective" so long as you get a tear in your beer.. you told me to kiss your ass...
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...a doe at 200 yards with a 270 WSM using 140gr NAB. We found the bullet had hit the edge of a rib and it deflected rearward until it hit the last rib on the other side, I have seen this time and again with 270's. Happened to me twice. I will never hunt with a 270 again. So do you honestly believe that something can happen with a .277 bullet that will not happen with a .284 or a .257 bullet?
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I have shot 5 deer with accubonds from 10 yards to 235 yards....all had exits...all died within 40 yards
4 150's and 1 165 out of a 308 win
I do think they are more explosive than a partition but on a deer at those speeds, they are perfect
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Jeff_O, Do a quick search and you'll pull up several pics of failed NP's...
BTW, a half-dozen pics of failures really ain't that many when you consider that THOUSANDS and thousands of them are being shot each year by members of these forums. Since you seem to have a good handle on this, why not post a link to these pics? Maybe it's jsut me, but I pulled up several pages of potential threads (with many pages associated with most threads). I simply don't have the time to sift through them all. In nearly 50 years of big game hunting I've seen a great many animals killed with these bullets and have never seen even the slightest hint of bullet failure with the Nosler Partitions. -Mike-
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"I have seen this time and again with 270's. Happened to me twice. I will never hunt with a 270 again."
Come on now, those Texas deer have skins like armadillo's...cant kill deer with a .270?
Good grief!
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JO, I can't see a bullet blowing up and still not going inside a deer deep enough.
THis happened to me on an Axis buck. Hit him in the ribs with a 180 BT running 3250 fps. Engaged him at 180 yards. THe BT disintegrated on impact. Left a 4" hole at the onside shot but did not even break the rib bone it hit. Found the green tip on the offside ribcage inside and that is all. It definitely knocked the wind out of him with no vital disruption. I finished him off with round two in the spine just as he was getting up. Lefty, apparently those Axis deer are steel plating too...
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JO, I can't see a bullet blowing up and still not going inside a deer deep enough.
THis happened to me on an Axis buck. Hit him in the ribs with a 180 BT running 3250 fps. Engaged him at 180 yards. THe BT disintegrated on impact. Left a 4" hole at the onside shot but did not even break the rib bone it hit. Found the green tip on the offside ribcage inside and that is all. It definitely knocked the wind out of him with no vital disruption. I finished him off with round two in the spine just as he was getting up. so....the bullet disintegrated but the PLASTIC TIP penetrated?? WOW!
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I'm still learning, and given that I'm 43 and only been hunting big game for 9 years, I will be learning sort of forever <g>.
That said, of the "modern" crop of bullets, I really like the Accubond, both in theory (what Nosler says) and in practice (what I've seen).
What Powdr says is a data point, no doubt about it. I think we should applaud his honesty, tilt a brew his direction in sympathy for what had to be a miserable couple days, and move on. We'll never know where he hit those deer. Chit happens.
Thanks for the report, Powdr!
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JO, I can't see a bullet blowing up and still not going inside a deer deep enough.
THis happened to me on an Axis buck. Hit him in the ribs with a 180 BT running 3250 fps. Engaged him at 180 yards. THe BT disintegrated on impact. Left a 4" hole at the onside shot but did not even break the rib bone it hit. Found the green tip on the offside ribcage inside and that is all. It definitely knocked the wind out of him with no vital disruption. I finished him off with round two in the spine just as he was getting up. so....the bullet disintegrated but the PLASTIC TIP penetrated?? WOW! Video exists on the internet of me putting a 130gr Ballistic Tip from a 270 into a good sized running bear which had been hit once by the girl shooting. My shot hit it at the base of the neck. It busted lots of bone and exited with about a 4" hole. Dropped the bear hard. I've bt/dt so I'm kinda hard to bullshit.
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Buddy that I load for took a brown bear in Russia with a .325 WSM using 200 gr. Accubonds. No problems, performance was great. So, for every bad story there is a good one. Usually the problem lies with placement and not the projectile.
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"I have seen this time and again with 270's. Happened to me twice. I will never hunt with a 270 again."
Come on now, those Texas deer have skins like armadillo's...cant kill deer with a .270?
Good grief!
LC Yessir, even a 270 Winchester is not immune. You too can experience bullet failure! Here's how: Hit a deer in a hard spot (shoulder) at close range with a fragile bullet that is light for caliber (SD around 0.25 or less) and fired at high velocity (greater than about 2800 fps). Bingo! Instant bullet failure. It just so happens that one of my recipes for bullet failure includes the 270 Winchester with a 130 grain Sierra Game King at 50 yards. You want fries with that? -
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Buddy that I load for took a brown bear in Russia with a .325 WSM using 200 gr. Accubonds. No problems, performance was great. So, for every bad story there is a good one. Usually the problem lies with placement and not the projectile. Would love to hear more details- penetration, shot placement, etc. The 8mm 200-gn is a wonderful bullet, IME...
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Jeff_O, Do a quick search and you'll pull up several pics of failed NP's...
BTW, a half-dozen pics of failures really ain't that many when you consider that THOUSANDS and thousands of them are being shot each year by members of these forums. Since you seem to have a good handle on this, why not post a link to these pics? Maybe it's jsut me, but I pulled up several pages of potential threads (with many pages associated with most threads). I simply don't have the time to sift through them all. In nearly 50 years of big game hunting I've seen a great many animals killed with these bullets and have never seen even the slightest hint of bullet failure with the Nosler Partitions. -Mike- Jeff did you miss this? Charlie
Last edited by sturgeon; 01/26/09. Reason: here's what I've noticed in 35 yr.s hunting , with apologies to JB...you put the pointy in first, and you aim at the front half
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Man, this dead horse is getting the crap beat out of it!
I do have to say that I've seen some bunk on this thread though. Jack O'Connor once wrote, "During what period of the animal's death did the bullet fail?"
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